Pre trial review happened today
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It's been a while since I've posted but it's been nearly 5yrs since the knock and we are finally at the court stage. Well at least we should be, the case is meant to start next week.
today my person had the pre trial review judge asked Prosecution, are you still wanting to proceed?
Even though it’s been 5 years?
Even though there were no images found?
Even though he is a man of previous good character?
If it doesn’t go ahead, the crown needs to seriously consider their position.
(long story about this, they are basically going off a link than they found that may or may not have even clicked on back in 2013). They still want to go ahead.
judge said that the likelihood of court going ahead Tuesday is slim because of amount of people actually in custody taking priority but NCA are adamant it needs to as they're available for it. Judge reiterated that my person is clearly of good character.
Judge said if it doesn't go ahead my person will be added to the warned list.
does anyone have any experience with any of the above, it obviously seems as though judge doesn't feel this should be in court and feels like they're pushing for it not to be somehow. (I totally agree, but we've been fighting this for a longtime and waited years to get here)
its been 5yrs, we cannot as a family continue like this. It either needs to go ahead or be thrown out surely?
we have had SS on our case for over 4yrs on chile protection plan, since our child was born and my person hasn't been able to live at home with us since, and I'm unable to supervise contact because I've supported him. SS won't make any changes with anything until a court case has taken place or I guess if it's thrown out, then they will do independent assessments.
hopefully this makes sense and if anyone can give any insight whatsoever i'd be so appreciative! Thanks for taking the time to read tried to keep short but very difficult when can't add full detail.
today my person had the pre trial review judge asked Prosecution, are you still wanting to proceed?
Even though it’s been 5 years?
Even though there were no images found?
Even though he is a man of previous good character?
If it doesn’t go ahead, the crown needs to seriously consider their position.
(long story about this, they are basically going off a link than they found that may or may not have even clicked on back in 2013). They still want to go ahead.
judge said that the likelihood of court going ahead Tuesday is slim because of amount of people actually in custody taking priority but NCA are adamant it needs to as they're available for it. Judge reiterated that my person is clearly of good character.
Judge said if it doesn't go ahead my person will be added to the warned list.
does anyone have any experience with any of the above, it obviously seems as though judge doesn't feel this should be in court and feels like they're pushing for it not to be somehow. (I totally agree, but we've been fighting this for a longtime and waited years to get here)
its been 5yrs, we cannot as a family continue like this. It either needs to go ahead or be thrown out surely?
we have had SS on our case for over 4yrs on chile protection plan, since our child was born and my person hasn't been able to live at home with us since, and I'm unable to supervise contact because I've supported him. SS won't make any changes with anything until a court case has taken place or I guess if it's thrown out, then they will do independent assessments.
hopefully this makes sense and if anyone can give any insight whatsoever i'd be so appreciative! Thanks for taking the time to read tried to keep short but very difficult when can't add full detail.
Sorry I don't know anything about the trial process but I just can't believe your child has been on a CPP for four years! Is no one at SS concerned about how long this CPP has continued? I've got a complaint with the ombudsman for a CPP that is going on for 16 months which is already beyond standard lenghts of CPP's. Your doing amazing to keep going after all this time xx
Hi upset mother,
Honestly, SS have been useless from start to now, they have always created hurdle after hurdle, promised stuff and backtracked. I've complained to ombudsman myself and even that was rejected (said they can't continue without a court conclusion) it's beyond a joke.
thanks for taking the time to respond to me.
Our biggest impact has been social services for not progressing anything. We have now had 9 conferences in our time, which we are now pros at and realise how out of hands it is and SS have all the control.
Here if you need any advice, happy to take a private message.
Honestly, SS have been useless from start to now, they have always created hurdle after hurdle, promised stuff and backtracked. I've complained to ombudsman myself and even that was rejected (said they can't continue without a court conclusion) it's beyond a joke.
thanks for taking the time to respond to me.
Our biggest impact has been social services for not progressing anything. We have now had 9 conferences in our time, which we are now pros at and realise how out of hands it is and SS have all the control.
Here if you need any advice, happy to take a private message.
I didn't know that about the Ombudsman- thats really annoying. I feel your pain, my OH was charged last year with Obscene Publications. Not given a SHPO or asked to sign the SOR. Even after taking us to PLO and my OH's risk is low and I'm protective, SS have still extended the CPP for another six months. They have moved the goal posts and said they need to look at future safeguarding etc.. absolute load of rubbish. I hope the Ombudsman rips them apart to be honest.
We had our 4th conference last month and it was by far the worst one. Conference chair was clearly really offened by the independent assessment and is using any excuse under the sun to keep her claws into us.
xx
We had our 4th conference last month and it was by far the worst one. Conference chair was clearly really offened by the independent assessment and is using any excuse under the sun to keep her claws into us.
xx
Hey, I am so sorry that you have had to wait so long- it is absolutely ridiculous how long they keep people waiting!! We were lucky in that our whole process took exactly 2 years from start to finish, even that felt long though, so I really do feel sorry for you!!
My husband's case went to trial as there was evidence that he had never seen the pictures, never clicked on them, that they were hidden on a place in his phone that wasn't accessible to him. They had attached themselves onto his phone from a streaming app that had nothing to do with it!
It was 6 brutal days of trial, in which at the end the judge threw it out themselves as they said there was no evidence. I really hope the same happens for you!! It is crazy- it seems that the police will grip onto anything to get a conviction. I hope justice prevails for you all too. Any questions about trial please let me know, I will try to help you. Take care, stay strong and you will find a way through this somehow x
My husband's case went to trial as there was evidence that he had never seen the pictures, never clicked on them, that they were hidden on a place in his phone that wasn't accessible to him. They had attached themselves onto his phone from a streaming app that had nothing to do with it!
It was 6 brutal days of trial, in which at the end the judge threw it out themselves as they said there was no evidence. I really hope the same happens for you!! It is crazy- it seems that the police will grip onto anything to get a conviction. I hope justice prevails for you all too. Any questions about trial please let me know, I will try to help you. Take care, stay strong and you will find a way through this somehow x
I hope you get an end point soon. It seems such madness its taken this long for you. Unfortunately SS being difficult seems to be a common theme for a lot of people.
Hi Holdinghope,
thank you so much for for responding to my thread! You give me hope, I really hope it goes ahead next week, but once again I'm not holding much hope ( we were delayed by a further 18 months in July 2024 at this same stage)
I do have questions, hope you don't mind.
why did the judge allow his trial to go on for 6 days? Was he waiting for some miraculous evidence? I feel so sorry you had to go through that.
At what point did the Judge have the power to make the decision to throw it out?
are you back to 'normal life' now?
did his trial make it to press? So far we've stayed away from limelight. (The only luck we've had for 5yrs)
thanks in advance.
thank you so much for for responding to my thread! You give me hope, I really hope it goes ahead next week, but once again I'm not holding much hope ( we were delayed by a further 18 months in July 2024 at this same stage)
I do have questions, hope you don't mind.
why did the judge allow his trial to go on for 6 days? Was he waiting for some miraculous evidence? I feel so sorry you had to go through that.
At what point did the Judge have the power to make the decision to throw it out?
are you back to 'normal life' now?
did his trial make it to press? So far we've stayed away from limelight. (The only luck we've had for 5yrs)
thanks in advance.