Head screwed, do I keep positive or fear the worst?
Notifications OFFwe now have in place a 6(ish) month transition plan ending in my husband moving home over a week transition period. This is great, I am starting to supervise in small quantities leading up to June (sadly he does have a court case for a breach involving him disposing of a phone (he was told he could in person but then his ex mosovo officer now denies saying he could)...but they have said as long as he's not guilty he can move home at this point! (They've only said if he's found guilty they may seek further advice again not meaning he can't necessarily come home all being well he's not put away anyways but he has evidence in his favour so hopefully not)
so yeah...we're over the moon, all being well a way forward and finally being able to supervise and show everyone that my children come first always.
anyways, his officer come today and did her usual visit which isn't that often to be honest, suddenly she's looking through his phone on his WhatsApp work chat (he's allowed to use WhatsApp)
and now his phone has been taken and she's saying he's breached because someone ELSE in the chat has deleted a message (or come up in grey saying this message has been deleted)
how is this is a breach!? He's allowed WhatsApp and he's allowed to be in group chats, yeah if he deleted a message that's fair enough but he can't control others :,( we feel perhaps she's going hard against him so more goes in her favour for this trial in June....he's broken beyond words and all he wants is to do right and move forward for us and the way she talks to him is like he's a piece of dirt on the floor and he feels he needs to go higher and complain to somebody,
shes even saying oh look you like looking at babies and saying I'm pregnant because he forced me to get pregnant so I wouldn't leave him which is not true but she says it's fact end of and it isn't we're happy together :,(
social are happy with our progress, probation songs praises of my husband, everyone has been happy with him, so why is she being this way and I'm sorry but how is somebody else's doing a breach
never seen the man so broken he has tried so hard I'm surprised he's not run himself into the ground
just so scared social may change their transition plan or god forbid what this mosovo officer will say when she finds out about it I can see her disagreeing with it all
he really wants to change officers but is this possible ? Is it common for them to bully people?
Thankyou.....felt like we finally are moving forward and I'm scared she's just ruined our lives for good with all this. Or am I overthinking, I really don't know
I'm at a loss, he's working hard, but they'll turn it on me no doubt oh he's breached twice why you with him and all that crap, he even has just pulled up at the house when they arrived (he came from my parents) and she accused him of trying to hide and that's why he was outside!! Sick :(
he's been told he'll get an interview he's gonna contact his solicitor but he's really worried and scared and he knows he's done nothing wrong, they've never even discussed WhatsApp in detail with him before, so he wouldn't of even known that he can't be in chats where others delete messages not that he would know when that's gonna happen!
id like to think me gradually supervising is moving forward but my heads been messed up by this massive misunderstanding, as a comment was made if I kept forgiving him they'd have concern but I did say I accept errors just if he reoffended involving children I would leave, I am not to believe that has happened at this moment in time so we are working together to fix this. It is stated if he is not found guilty he can move home in July so surely this is a good sign they have faith in us? I'm just anxious down the line I'll be scrutinised or punished for working together.....our family time is wonderful, we're so happy, they have said how well we have worked and communicated with them.
Should I really be worrying like this? Or am I overthinking it all, as long as I work with I can't think why I would need to fear losing my babies, they've never had one concern with my care at all. My heads just playin games I think.
I don’t have any direct experience of unintentional breaches, but I didn’t want to just scroll past your message. I can only imagine how anxious and overwhelming this must feel for you, and it felt important to acknowledge that and to let you know you’re not alone in it.
Being able to supervise contact, and having the hope that your husband may eventually be able to move back home with you, is a huge and meaningful thing to hold on to. At the same time, it’s completely understandable that this hope is mixed with fear — fear that something unexpected or out of your control could hinder progress or prevent that from happening. Living with that constant sense of “what if” is incredibly hard.
You’ve been assessed as a protective parent, and that really is a significant positive. Try to take some reassurance from that. It sounds to me like you have already demonstrated to Social Services that you are able to prioritise your children’s safety and wellbeing. The fact that you are now trusted to supervise contact speaks volumes about that and reflects the care and responsibility you’ve consistently shown.
I also don’t see how your husband could be blamed for a work colleague deleting a message in a work WhatsApp group. He is accountable for his own actions and behaviour, but he cannot reasonably be held responsible for the actions of others. That said, it does sound as though he needs to continue being extra cautious and vigilant — staying mindful of how things could be interpreted and avoiding any situations or conversations that could raise concerns in the future, even unintentionally.
You’re navigating an incredibly complex and emotionally draining situation with a lot of strength. It’s okay to feel scared while still holding on to hope.
just seems odd :( I was wondering in my head if perhaps they have to tell everybody this as they can't commit to promises but it horrifies me, they have started very small with me supervising not sure if this is just standard practice though...
she just said (as my husband has had 2 breaches not linked to reoffending towards children just daft teething issues with the order and miscommunication)
and I said I'll stay with him as long as he don't reoffend or relapse to images but they're saying oh but if you forgive his mistakes so many times we'll have concerns and I don't know what that means, as just being in a relationship can't determine my children as unsafe, it's possible to be with someone and still put children first all the way.
just wondering if I'm overthinking, I haven't slept and am absolutely petrified I can't look forward to the future with my children, one of them is due in just 5/6 weeks :/ we want to do this together and I think this breach is ridiculous, surely this could not lead to court, they said it's an absolute breach but how he can use WhatsApp, not disclose to his work, therefore not have control over other people's actions! Surely it's just daft but she's said he's really messed up by "letting it happen" grrr
i understand needing to investigate the first "breach" as his old mosovo said in person he can dispose of phone then his new one said she has no knowledge so arrested him and now he has a court date in June....hoping he can prove he only did what he was told but sadly it's his word against theirs and we're so worried feels like she just wants him in prison to me.
The bottom line is that there will always be some level of risk of harm to your children, however small, as a result of your husband’s previous behaviour. Your husband is assessed as being at a medium risk of reoffending, and that assessment alone means there is an ongoing risk of emotional harm to the children. Because of this, social services can never give an absolute guarantee that your children will not be removed from your care. That said, it does appear that they recognise you are taking appropriate steps to safeguard and protect your children, and that this is viewed positively.
Your husband has had two breaches, and although these were not intentional, they indicate a need for him to be particularly cautious, vigilant, and proactive in all aspects of his behaviour. Even the possibility of returning to court presents a risk to your children, as it could result in media coverage. This, in turn, could expose your children to comments or information about their father that they may hear directly or indirectly, which could cause emotional distress.
Social services will therefore be closely monitoring whether you fully understand the seriousness and wider implications of these breaches. They will want to see clear evidence that both of you have reflected on what has happened, learned from it, and made meaningful changes to prevent similar situations from occurring in the future. This includes demonstrating insight into how seemingly minor actions can have significant consequences, not only legally but also for your children’s wellbeing.
Examples of this could be, your husband has now learned that he must retain any old devices unless he receives written confirmation that they have been checked and can be safely disposed of. He has also made the decision to leave his work WhatsApp group, recognising that he cannot control the behaviour or content shared by others within it, and that remaining in the group could expose him to unnecessary risk. Practical steps such as these help to demonstrate that you are both taking the situation seriously, that you are aware of the potential consequences for your children, and that you are actively working to reduce risk and safeguard them moving forward.
The scale of punishments for breaches is very wide and probably would not result in more than a fine in the magistatres court at most. But I agree with Ocean that he should just stop using WhatsApp as it is not worth the risk.
i I hope perhaps I'm over worrying about losing the children then, my son only has positive reports....they did say to my husband they aren't looking at removing him or anything but still can't help worrying
they just said will seek further legal advice if he's guilty for this phone breach but they said that doesn't mean taking kids so hope it's all okay
i presume they aren't just going to take a child that's completely healthy and happy so maybe I should relax :,) just couldn't live without my children , me and my husband wanna work with and soon be all together again, nobody missing, a full completely happy family :)
they did say we work well together with them so...