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Hi broken dreams.

My partner had animal pornography as well as indecent images of children (not sure if any were drawn or cgi). It maybe quite a long process from intital arrest to charge then sentencing. Just take each day as it comes. In the mean time I recommend your partner look to seek help to prevent him looking at such images again. Lucy faithful hotline is good and there are course available. Time frames are tricky to state, police are quite swamped. There are different classes of indecent imagery for children (not sure for animals) which will factor on the sentencing. But at this stage I would suggest not to think too much on what might happen because it is early days. Judges can take into consideration the character of a person (past history of crime and signs they are seeking rehabilitation).

I did notice at my partner's sentencing they barely mention the animal images, the main concern was the children aspect (I could be wrong but animal might not have the same sentencing structure as children aspect).

Sending hugs

So sorry, can't hope you on this I'm afraid. But I feel for you. It's agonising trying to anticipate and prepare for what might happen. From what I read. There seems to be so many variables, which doesn't help us at all. Keep strong.

Hello Broken

As others have stated the law regarding images covers a wide category.

Without wanting to frighten you it is illegal in the UK to have in ur possession extreme pornography... This includes animals engaged in any form of sexual action.

It is also illegal to have any Japanese manga cartoons if they depict children or teenager's in sexual scenes. A child in the uk is ANYONE under 18.

Best wishes

Should of added with a human regarding animals...

Cartoon images are treated in the same way as real images of children, far as I'm aware. They are just called "prohibited images". However I guess if there are a very small number it may be treated with more leniency?

I've not seen anyone go to prison solely for extreme images/animals xx

You noted that the content was not downloaded on purpose, so that is a defence, but he would have needed to delete the content once he became aware if it, otherwise he would be possessing it. They should be looking at search terms used to access the material, and evidence that he actually viewed it, and it whether or not the content had been deleted. If there is no awareness that he possessed the content, then that may be a defence. My understanding is that for this sort of content that "making" (ie simply downloading) is not an offence, whereas it would be if the content was of actual children. Possession is an offence though, so even if he didn't purposely download the content, if he became aware if it, and didn't delete it, then it's possible that he committed an offence. You or he needs to get legal advice though, and see if these specifics are relevant to your case. It's a complicated area, and the burden of proof moves depending on precedents of other cases.

Zack, so if someone viewed prohibited images but didn't actually save them, it would be treated differently? That's so confusing when I know that for indecent images of real children it doesn't matter whether they were viewed or saved, it's still illegal and prosecutable

That's my understanding, there are two different offences "making" and "possession". Unless things have changed "making" doesn't apply to cartoons and bestiality. But I would get legal advice on that, as things can and do change. Making in most circumstances is simply downloading, and easier to prosecute. They don't need to proove that you actually possess the content. I'm guessing "making" was broadened to mean downloading IIOC, to make it easier to prosecute. I guess these prohibited images are perfectly legal to produce and view in lots of countries, so I'm guessing it is easier to come across accidently.

Interesting, Zack. This backs up your post. I wonder if it's current. The intricacies of these offences are so confusing ! I spend so much time second guessing which direction my husband's case is going to go .



http://www.dilloway.co.uk/possession-of-extreme-and-prohibited-images.html

I can help. Pornography including animals is unlikely to recieve a prison sentence but a hefty fine. They usually take into account financial circumstances. My husband recieved a £400 fine but as he had a prison sentence for the IIOC the added a week on to his sentence to cover the fine.

Pseudo images can be difficult. When it comes to anime porn it is not easy to gauge the age of the person image. They could be young they could be older. There was an image a long time ago floating about of the Simpsons and that was classed as iioc in the news.

I believe so yes. It may be a shorter period of time though. He will also not be able to foster animals or work with them.

The sex offenders register imposes rules on notifying the police on the whereabouts and details of sex offenders (from any sexual related crime). A sexual prevention order is something I think a bit different and what you are referring to with regards to impacts on children. For animal only cases I would expect preventions would be like not allowed a pet but I'm not sure how the drawn images of children will be considered. My partner through his sexual prevention order cannot stay over night with children present for example.

Maeganpearl I've reported your post. You are laughable.

Some people are not in their right mind when this sort of thing occurs.You cannot label people without knowing their circumstances.

Meaganpearl

I think you are a very confused man/woman, this is not a place for ignorant foul comments.

please do some research on this subject if it will help you understand.

We are here to support each other thro very hard times.



Bad Karma is coming your way so I would keep your stupid comments to yourself

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Hello Broken...

Since my partner was dealt with for iioc I have read quite a few articles re other offenders and the subsequent sentencing policy of the courts.

Bestiality or extreme porn does carry a period of time on the sex register... From what I have seen its normally starts at 3 years.

I have copied the information from CPS for your information...Possession of extreme pornographic images is an either way offence. The maximum penalty for possession of extreme pornographic images involving necrophilia or bestiality is two years' imprisonment and/or a fine; for other images it is three years' imprisonment and/or a fine.

Best wishes

@brokendreams can I ask how the case went?
my partner is in the same situation, one video that contains, amongst other legal porn scenarios, one count of sexual interaction with an animal, and 5-6 cat c manga teen images that the police officer keeps telling me are "not extreme/the worst"

first offences- ever

Charged this week, magistrates court end of sept :(

@Stunned may I ask what your outcome was? My partner had one video of animal and images of anime animals. However the images were deleted a while ago they just recovered them during investigation. We're waiting to hear if CPS will take the case or drop it.

Hi Anxious gf,

This post is from four years ago. I don't recognise many usernames in the replies so I don't think they're active on here anymore xxx