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Blue82

Member since
January 2020

95 posts

Posted Tue October 19, 2021 12:37amReport post

Hi there!



just wondered if anyone could give me any advise on an SHPO. After carefully ready over these conditions I noticed that it only says about 'unsupervised contact' without prior approval from SS. Also I have seen another condition stating that 'to not reside, enter or remain in any household with any child under the age of 16.. I wondered if this means the offenders own children? Can anyone advise please?



many thanks in advance x

Blue82

Member since
January 2020

95 posts

Posted Tue October 19, 2021 12:40amReport post

Does this technically mean a child can have supervised contact in the community without the approval of SS?

Blue82

Member since
January 2020

95 posts

Posted Tue October 19, 2021 1:29amReport post

Hi Lee

yes it does say to live in the same house hold as a child under 16 or to enter, or remain. Without express approval from SS.
I can't remember the lady who posted it on the forum but she waited for SS to come and assess, but they made a mistake because it said 'unsupervised' not supervised so her children could of seen their dad all along with her supervision. I was looking through the SHPO and noticed it said similar apart from that condition about households.
blue x

Edited Tue October 19, 2021 1:30am

Notalone1970

Member since
May 2021

98 posts

Posted Tue October 19, 2021 7:08amReport post

Hi blue82

if your husbands offence Was image and internet related the court of appeal in 2011 in R v Smith ruled the following

Prohibitions on unsupervised contact with children should not be included in the case of those convicted of internet-based offences ‘just in case’ they progress to contact offences. Instead “There must be identifiable risk of contact offences before this kind of prohibition can be justified”;

Therefor the courts made it clear that a prohibition on this subject can't be added "just in case" if there is no identifiable risk the crown court can't go against the ruling of the court of appeal as it takes precedence. It might be worth having a word with your husbands legal team if this situation applies to him

hope this helps

Blue82

Member since
January 2020

95 posts

Posted Tue October 19, 2021 12:21pmReport post

Thank you notalone!

That is very good to know x

Edited Tue October 19, 2021 12:22pm

T2021

Member since
December 2020

56 posts

Posted Tue October 19, 2021 10:28pmReport post

Hi does that court of appeal ruling apply to communication offence, if there was no planning to meet? Thanks

Blue82

Member since
January 2020

95 posts

Posted Tue October 19, 2021 11:36pmReport post

Hi Lee

I had my visit from my allocated social worker today. Two ladies came and they were absolutely lovely, supportive and listened to everything we had to say. She said I should be proud as my children were lovely level headed mature boys. She said the assessment would take upto 35 days and I signed a form to let her contact other agencies (school etc) and we would be able to put a plan together. She wanted other family members involved to support contact too. She was really positive about everything and non judgemental. I felt she really cared about us. Although she said she couldn't say when the children could see their dad. She said she'd keep in touch and ring me as soon as she could update me. I felt so relieved and positive about the situation.
Do you think this sounds positive in your experience Lee?
blue xx