Holidays on SOR and SHPO
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Hiya.
Was wondering about holidays on SOR and SHPO
We have friends who have a logde on a site which we rent in close seasons. What's the chances of still going or do we have to notify the police first. We always go out of season.
Plus we go to the west country a lot will we have to do the same.
Xx
Was wondering about holidays on SOR and SHPO
We have friends who have a logde on a site which we rent in close seasons. What's the chances of still going or do we have to notify the police first. We always go out of season.
Plus we go to the west country a lot will we have to do the same.
Xx
When the time comes your husband/ partner should be guided by the conditions stipulated on the SHPO and ideally discuss his plans with his supervisor before going to ensure he is not inadvertently breaking any terms of the SHPO or SOR. You may find that the SOR states an offender can spend up to a week away from home if remaining in the UK but under the SHPO he shouldn't be staying within 200 metres of a school for example. So there needs to be some agreement that the location and style of accommodation is suitable.
Another potential hurdle is that the terms and conditions of many camping, caravanning and holiday lodge sites specify that anyone subject to SOR will not be admitted. As people subject to SOR don't have signs plastered to their foreheads this is in place to offer reassurance to families staying at the site. And as someone reminded me on this forum just last week, the offender has a responsibility to avoid situations which could result in them being wrongly or mistakenly accused of further wrongdoing.
Unfortunately Chelsea, like many of your very good questions, there never seems to be a straightforward answer!
Another potential hurdle is that the terms and conditions of many camping, caravanning and holiday lodge sites specify that anyone subject to SOR will not be admitted. As people subject to SOR don't have signs plastered to their foreheads this is in place to offer reassurance to families staying at the site. And as someone reminded me on this forum just last week, the offender has a responsibility to avoid situations which could result in them being wrongly or mistakenly accused of further wrongdoing.
Unfortunately Chelsea, like many of your very good questions, there never seems to be a straightforward answer!
Hiya Judith.
Thank you for your reply.
So basically all holidays etc will have to go through his probation officer first before we book ?
Xx
Thank you for your reply.
So basically all holidays etc will have to go through his probation officer first before we book ?
Xx
Hiya Lee.
Thank you again for your reply.
Trust me I am one for reading small print etc.
My hubby s offenses are internet based and as you know we don't have children.
Xx
Thank you again for your reply.
Trust me I am one for reading small print etc.
My hubby s offenses are internet based and as you know we don't have children.
Xx
There is such a lot to consider.
I'd be interested to hear from people 5 - 10 years and how they are coping.
I'd be interested to hear from people 5 - 10 years and how they are coping.
Hiya all.
Holidays in a cave then ?
I wonder how many go on holidays etc to holiday parks and don't say a word ?
Xx
Holidays in a cave then ?
I wonder how many go on holidays etc to holiday parks and don't say a word ?
Xx
Hiya Lee.
Dam right and then of course would be breaching the SOR and SHPO regulations. Which means could end up with a prison sentence.
Not worth the risk
Xx
Dam right and then of course would be breaching the SOR and SHPO regulations. Which means could end up with a prison sentence.
Not worth the risk
Xx
Once through probation and in England you only have to declare your holiday if
1) it is outside of the UK
2) you are staying at the same address for more than 7 nights
3) you are staying more than 12 hours at address of a child
All those require SOR notification at the police station.
The only other scenario that may apply is for those who are able to see their own children and go away with them. I suspect that may come under point 3 above and you would have to notify.
SHPO may have additional requirements, but those should be relative to the offence and given most on here are internet offences it is unlikely there will be additional restrictions based on geographic locations or holidays.
You may chose to informally notify the assigned offender manager outside of those requirements but you do not have to. Of course they like you to do that, but as someone discovered on here when they did they then spent the entire holiday waiting for the local police to turn up.
Some people recommend being open and honest with the offender manager and others recommend providing them only with the information legally you are required to give them. What you chose to do is 100% up to you outside of SOR and any SHPO requirements.
Checking the terms and conditions of anywhere you do stay is recommended. If you have to notify you can guarantee that the police will check. If you don't have to notify but later the police find out, you can bet they will ask questions and potentially increase the risk rating.
During probation there may be additional requirements from probation but my husband did the majority of his probation under lockdown / semi lockdown so holidays weren't something we had to consider.
1) it is outside of the UK
2) you are staying at the same address for more than 7 nights
3) you are staying more than 12 hours at address of a child
All those require SOR notification at the police station.
The only other scenario that may apply is for those who are able to see their own children and go away with them. I suspect that may come under point 3 above and you would have to notify.
SHPO may have additional requirements, but those should be relative to the offence and given most on here are internet offences it is unlikely there will be additional restrictions based on geographic locations or holidays.
You may chose to informally notify the assigned offender manager outside of those requirements but you do not have to. Of course they like you to do that, but as someone discovered on here when they did they then spent the entire holiday waiting for the local police to turn up.
Some people recommend being open and honest with the offender manager and others recommend providing them only with the information legally you are required to give them. What you chose to do is 100% up to you outside of SOR and any SHPO requirements.
Checking the terms and conditions of anywhere you do stay is recommended. If you have to notify you can guarantee that the police will check. If you don't have to notify but later the police find out, you can bet they will ask questions and potentially increase the risk rating.
During probation there may be additional requirements from probation but my husband did the majority of his probation under lockdown / semi lockdown so holidays weren't something we had to consider.
My partner and I travel around the UK quite often. He was sentenced in summer 2019 with two year suspended sentence, ended last year.
As stated above the majority of the rules are to notify when staying more than 7 nights at the same address in a year, and if staying over where a child will or may be within a 12 hour period. We told the probation officer and police liason each time even if the stays were shorter than seven days.
However, recently we went on holiday staying five nights and gave the police plenty of warning (months ahead). Booked as a group of friends who don't know anything about his conviction. It wasn't until a few days before leaving that we were told the police in the area we were staying were concerned because we were going to be staying close to a school. There are no rules in his SHPO or SOR to say he can't be within a certain distance. We didn't check the locality on that much detail tbh, now we will.
The local police warned they might do a surprise visit. This out us on edge. Thankfully as far as I am aware they never turned up. But the whole experience annoyed me. Since then we have decided not to tell the police each time we are away unless it says so on the conditions. Tho there is risk to that and may not be advisable.
But overall, traveling in the UK has not been a major issue for us. I do worry about going abroad tho....I'm dreading that.
As stated above the majority of the rules are to notify when staying more than 7 nights at the same address in a year, and if staying over where a child will or may be within a 12 hour period. We told the probation officer and police liason each time even if the stays were shorter than seven days.
However, recently we went on holiday staying five nights and gave the police plenty of warning (months ahead). Booked as a group of friends who don't know anything about his conviction. It wasn't until a few days before leaving that we were told the police in the area we were staying were concerned because we were going to be staying close to a school. There are no rules in his SHPO or SOR to say he can't be within a certain distance. We didn't check the locality on that much detail tbh, now we will.
The local police warned they might do a surprise visit. This out us on edge. Thankfully as far as I am aware they never turned up. But the whole experience annoyed me. Since then we have decided not to tell the police each time we are away unless it says so on the conditions. Tho there is risk to that and may not be advisable.
But overall, traveling in the UK has not been a major issue for us. I do worry about going abroad tho....I'm dreading that.
I know that you cannot hope to go to America or Australia with a record...
I'd like to go to an Asian country where the regulations are a lot more relaxed on this kinda thing...
We've been on holiday in the UK... Though my partner is being investigated so we didn't need to disclose.
I'd like to go to an Asian country where the regulations are a lot more relaxed on this kinda thing...
We've been on holiday in the UK... Though my partner is being investigated so we didn't need to disclose.
Just to mention that many Asian countries are now being stricter about who they let in due to the very unsavoury growth of sex tourism, trafficking and the international drug trade.
By 2023 Brits will have to apply for a new travel permit (ETIAS) to travel in the EU. It is likely there will be questions about any criminal convictions but , so far, the suggestion is this is mainly to filter out terrorists, drug dealers and people traffickers. Those with relatively minor convictions below a custodial sentence of two to three years should not have a problem according to current information. The good news is that we will only need to apply for one of these permits every three years.
There is some good info online about travelling abroad if you have a criminal conviction. E.g. Nacro, Unlock.
Happy Holidays Everyone!
By 2023 Brits will have to apply for a new travel permit (ETIAS) to travel in the EU. It is likely there will be questions about any criminal convictions but , so far, the suggestion is this is mainly to filter out terrorists, drug dealers and people traffickers. Those with relatively minor convictions below a custodial sentence of two to three years should not have a problem according to current information. The good news is that we will only need to apply for one of these permits every three years.
There is some good info online about travelling abroad if you have a criminal conviction. E.g. Nacro, Unlock.
Happy Holidays Everyone!
I know that's places like Morroco don't look at criminal convictions and don't ask ... Try and aim for places like that where they won't check !
Ah, Marrakech! The scent of jasmine and orange blossom.....
Hiya all.
We we always go on holidays in this country so overseas travels doesn't matter to us.
We go to place in England where they have a lodge which is miles from anywhere either on a farm or middle of nowhere
Xx
We we always go on holidays in this country so overseas travels doesn't matter to us.
We go to place in England where they have a lodge which is miles from anywhere either on a farm or middle of nowhere
Xx
Hi,
does anyone know about UK holidays, under 7 nights duration, with our own children only, where there is no contact restrictions on SHPO, not a holiday park with policy's on S/O, do we need to declare beforehand? X
does anyone know about UK holidays, under 7 nights duration, with our own children only, where there is no contact restrictions on SHPO, not a holiday park with policy's on S/O, do we need to declare beforehand? X
Hi Jayjay,
If its the first time u have stayed away from home and is less then an 7 days I don't think u have to but after this u will still need to inform them. I am sure that is wat my oh police man told us xx
If its the first time u have stayed away from home and is less then an 7 days I don't think u have to but after this u will still need to inform them. I am sure that is wat my oh police man told us xx
Hi Dawn we've been abroad as a family and had that ok'd and noted at the station.
But this will be the first time in uk with our own children xx
But this will be the first time in uk with our own children xx
Jayjay
We're currently looking at our first hol in UK since sentencing aslong as his allowed to stay with us by then I read on here before Airbnb is the place to book. I've just found somewhere and messaged them saying can people stay with current convictions no information given to them and they said it's fine aslong as it doesn't conflict with the stay so I'd say maybe look on there
We're currently looking at our first hol in UK since sentencing aslong as his allowed to stay with us by then I read on here before Airbnb is the place to book. I've just found somewhere and messaged them saying can people stay with current convictions no information given to them and they said it's fine aslong as it doesn't conflict with the stay so I'd say maybe look on there