Holidays on SOR and SHPO
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Hiya.
Was wondering about holidays on SOR and SHPO
We have friends who have a logde on a site which we rent in close seasons. What's the chances of still going or do we have to notify the police first. We always go out of season.
Plus we go to the west country a lot will we have to do the same.
Xx
Was wondering about holidays on SOR and SHPO
We have friends who have a logde on a site which we rent in close seasons. What's the chances of still going or do we have to notify the police first. We always go out of season.
Plus we go to the west country a lot will we have to do the same.
Xx
When the time comes your husband/ partner should be guided by the conditions stipulated on the SHPO and ideally discuss his plans with his supervisor before going to ensure he is not inadvertently breaking any terms of the SHPO or SOR. You may find that the SOR states an offender can spend up to a week away from home if remaining in the UK but under the SHPO he shouldn't be staying within 200 metres of a school for example. So there needs to be some agreement that the location and style of accommodation is suitable.
Another potential hurdle is that the terms and conditions of many camping, caravanning and holiday lodge sites specify that anyone subject to SOR will not be admitted. As people subject to SOR don't have signs plastered to their foreheads this is in place to offer reassurance to families staying at the site. And as someone reminded me on this forum just last week, the offender has a responsibility to avoid situations which could result in them being wrongly or mistakenly accused of further wrongdoing.
Unfortunately Chelsea, like many of your very good questions, there never seems to be a straightforward answer!
Another potential hurdle is that the terms and conditions of many camping, caravanning and holiday lodge sites specify that anyone subject to SOR will not be admitted. As people subject to SOR don't have signs plastered to their foreheads this is in place to offer reassurance to families staying at the site. And as someone reminded me on this forum just last week, the offender has a responsibility to avoid situations which could result in them being wrongly or mistakenly accused of further wrongdoing.
Unfortunately Chelsea, like many of your very good questions, there never seems to be a straightforward answer!
Hiya Judith.
Thank you for your reply.
So basically all holidays etc will have to go through his probation officer first before we book ?
Xx
Thank you for your reply.
So basically all holidays etc will have to go through his probation officer first before we book ?
Xx
Hiya Lee.
Thank you again for your reply.
Trust me I am one for reading small print etc.
My hubby s offenses are internet based and as you know we don't have children.
Xx
Thank you again for your reply.
Trust me I am one for reading small print etc.
My hubby s offenses are internet based and as you know we don't have children.
Xx
There is such a lot to consider.
I'd be interested to hear from people 5 - 10 years and how they are coping.
I'd be interested to hear from people 5 - 10 years and how they are coping.
Hiya all.
Holidays in a cave then ?
I wonder how many go on holidays etc to holiday parks and don't say a word ?
Xx
Holidays in a cave then ?
I wonder how many go on holidays etc to holiday parks and don't say a word ?
Xx
Hiya Lee.
Dam right and then of course would be breaching the SOR and SHPO regulations. Which means could end up with a prison sentence.
Not worth the risk
Xx
Dam right and then of course would be breaching the SOR and SHPO regulations. Which means could end up with a prison sentence.
Not worth the risk
Xx
Once through probation and in England you only have to declare your holiday if
1) it is outside of the UK
2) you are staying at the same address for more than 7 nights
3) you are staying more than 12 hours at address of a child
All those require SOR notification at the police station.
The only other scenario that may apply is for those who are able to see their own children and go away with them. I suspect that may come under point 3 above and you would have to notify.
SHPO may have additional requirements, but those should be relative to the offence and given most on here are internet offences it is unlikely there will be additional restrictions based on geographic locations or holidays.
You may chose to informally notify the assigned offender manager outside of those requirements but you do not have to. Of course they like you to do that, but as someone discovered on here when they did they then spent the entire holiday waiting for the local police to turn up.
Some people recommend being open and honest with the offender manager and others recommend providing them only with the information legally you are required to give them. What you chose to do is 100% up to you outside of SOR and any SHPO requirements.
Checking the terms and conditions of anywhere you do stay is recommended. If you have to notify you can guarantee that the police will check. If you don't have to notify but later the police find out, you can bet they will ask questions and potentially increase the risk rating.
During probation there may be additional requirements from probation but my husband did the majority of his probation under lockdown / semi lockdown so holidays weren't something we had to consider.
1) it is outside of the UK
2) you are staying at the same address for more than 7 nights
3) you are staying more than 12 hours at address of a child
All those require SOR notification at the police station.
The only other scenario that may apply is for those who are able to see their own children and go away with them. I suspect that may come under point 3 above and you would have to notify.
SHPO may have additional requirements, but those should be relative to the offence and given most on here are internet offences it is unlikely there will be additional restrictions based on geographic locations or holidays.
You may chose to informally notify the assigned offender manager outside of those requirements but you do not have to. Of course they like you to do that, but as someone discovered on here when they did they then spent the entire holiday waiting for the local police to turn up.
Some people recommend being open and honest with the offender manager and others recommend providing them only with the information legally you are required to give them. What you chose to do is 100% up to you outside of SOR and any SHPO requirements.
Checking the terms and conditions of anywhere you do stay is recommended. If you have to notify you can guarantee that the police will check. If you don't have to notify but later the police find out, you can bet they will ask questions and potentially increase the risk rating.
During probation there may be additional requirements from probation but my husband did the majority of his probation under lockdown / semi lockdown so holidays weren't something we had to consider.
My partner and I travel around the UK quite often. He was sentenced in summer 2019 with two year suspended sentence, ended last year.
As stated above the majority of the rules are to notify when staying more than 7 nights at the same address in a year, and if staying over where a child will or may be within a 12 hour period. We told the probation officer and police liason each time even if the stays were shorter than seven days.
However, recently we went on holiday staying five nights and gave the police plenty of warning (months ahead). Booked as a group of friends who don't know anything about his conviction. It wasn't until a few days before leaving that we were told the police in the area we were staying were concerned because we were going to be staying close to a school. There are no rules in his SHPO or SOR to say he can't be within a certain distance. We didn't check the locality on that much detail tbh, now we will.
The local police warned they might do a surprise visit. This out us on edge. Thankfully as far as I am aware they never turned up. But the whole experience annoyed me. Since then we have decided not to tell the police each time we are away unless it says so on the conditions. Tho there is risk to that and may not be advisable.
But overall, traveling in the UK has not been a major issue for us. I do worry about going abroad tho....I'm dreading that.
As stated above the majority of the rules are to notify when staying more than 7 nights at the same address in a year, and if staying over where a child will or may be within a 12 hour period. We told the probation officer and police liason each time even if the stays were shorter than seven days.
However, recently we went on holiday staying five nights and gave the police plenty of warning (months ahead). Booked as a group of friends who don't know anything about his conviction. It wasn't until a few days before leaving that we were told the police in the area we were staying were concerned because we were going to be staying close to a school. There are no rules in his SHPO or SOR to say he can't be within a certain distance. We didn't check the locality on that much detail tbh, now we will.
The local police warned they might do a surprise visit. This out us on edge. Thankfully as far as I am aware they never turned up. But the whole experience annoyed me. Since then we have decided not to tell the police each time we are away unless it says so on the conditions. Tho there is risk to that and may not be advisable.
But overall, traveling in the UK has not been a major issue for us. I do worry about going abroad tho....I'm dreading that.
Just to mention that many Asian countries are now being stricter about who they let in due to the very unsavoury growth of sex tourism, trafficking and the international drug trade.
By 2023 Brits will have to apply for a new travel permit (ETIAS) to travel in the EU. It is likely there will be questions about any criminal convictions but , so far, the suggestion is this is mainly to filter out terrorists, drug dealers and people traffickers. Those with relatively minor convictions below a custodial sentence of two to three years should not have a problem according to current information. The good news is that we will only need to apply for one of these permits every three years.
There is some good info online about travelling abroad if you have a criminal conviction. E.g. Nacro, Unlock.
Happy Holidays Everyone!
By 2023 Brits will have to apply for a new travel permit (ETIAS) to travel in the EU. It is likely there will be questions about any criminal convictions but , so far, the suggestion is this is mainly to filter out terrorists, drug dealers and people traffickers. Those with relatively minor convictions below a custodial sentence of two to three years should not have a problem according to current information. The good news is that we will only need to apply for one of these permits every three years.
There is some good info online about travelling abroad if you have a criminal conviction. E.g. Nacro, Unlock.
Happy Holidays Everyone!
Ah, Marrakech! The scent of jasmine and orange blossom.....
Hiya all.
We we always go on holidays in this country so overseas travels doesn't matter to us.
We go to place in England where they have a lodge which is miles from anywhere either on a farm or middle of nowhere
Xx
We we always go on holidays in this country so overseas travels doesn't matter to us.
We go to place in England where they have a lodge which is miles from anywhere either on a farm or middle of nowhere
Xx
Hi,
does anyone know about UK holidays, under 7 nights duration, with our own children only, where there is no contact restrictions on SHPO, not a holiday park with policy's on S/O, do we need to declare beforehand? X
does anyone know about UK holidays, under 7 nights duration, with our own children only, where there is no contact restrictions on SHPO, not a holiday park with policy's on S/O, do we need to declare beforehand? X
Hi Jayjay,
If its the first time u have stayed away from home and is less then an 7 days I don't think u have to but after this u will still need to inform them. I am sure that is wat my oh police man told us xx
If its the first time u have stayed away from home and is less then an 7 days I don't think u have to but after this u will still need to inform them. I am sure that is wat my oh police man told us xx
Hi Dawn we've been abroad as a family and had that ok'd and noted at the station.
But this will be the first time in uk with our own children xx
But this will be the first time in uk with our own children xx
Jayjay
We're currently looking at our first hol in UK since sentencing aslong as his allowed to stay with us by then I read on here before Airbnb is the place to book. I've just found somewhere and messaged them saying can people stay with current convictions no information given to them and they said it's fine aslong as it doesn't conflict with the stay so I'd say maybe look on there
We're currently looking at our first hol in UK since sentencing aslong as his allowed to stay with us by then I read on here before Airbnb is the place to book. I've just found somewhere and messaged them saying can people stay with current convictions no information given to them and they said it's fine aslong as it doesn't conflict with the stay so I'd say maybe look on there
My son was put on a shpo in September the offence happened when he was 15 it was internet based and he is now 18 he still attends school (a special needs school) we want to go on holiday where are places people have been that he can join us on please. He wasn't able to attend center parks but his PPO officer said there are places he can go on holiday abroad and in the uk but didn't say where
Hi, i think it might be better to start a new thread. Most of the replies in this thread cover the basics. If a country does not ask for visa waiver, then usually it would be ok to go. Unlock is a good site to look at. I know Mexico is a country that does not ask and i know some have gone to turkey. Europe at the moment is still ok until they start the Etias, as no one knows what that will be like.
As to this country, usually organised parks and some, not all, campsites. You will need to read the t&c of each site. It is to protect the SO as well. Should something happen on site and the police get involved, they will check everyone on the site, and then your family member could be questioned even if they had nothing to do with it.
In the future, the unlock website goes into detail, and people with this conviction have even managed to go to USA, but they need a visa and it is not straight forward, but, it is possible.
There have been many people on this forum that have managed to go abroad. I hope you manage to book yourself and your family a holiday.
As to this country, usually organised parks and some, not all, campsites. You will need to read the t&c of each site. It is to protect the SO as well. Should something happen on site and the police get involved, they will check everyone on the site, and then your family member could be questioned even if they had nothing to do with it.
In the future, the unlock website goes into detail, and people with this conviction have even managed to go to USA, but they need a visa and it is not straight forward, but, it is possible.
There have been many people on this forum that have managed to go abroad. I hope you manage to book yourself and your family a holiday.
Just to jump on, we went abroad last year to Egypt and all was fine. We have realized that countries that don't asked for visas is fine, but your probation officer as well as your OIC will need to give consent.
Regarding our holiday - we went to a normal 'family hotel'. His OIC said it is not the hotel they worry about, but more so the country. As long as the hotel did not have any Ts and Cs regarding SO, then we were fine. We have booked again to go back to Egypt as we know it's okay. We will be looking at Turkey in he future and they do not ask for a visa. I know people that have been to Mexico and Dominican Republic also.
Europe is fine for now until he ETIAS come into play - but even so you just apply for the visa and hope for the best because that's what we will be doing lol.
We have never been a couple to go in holiday in the UK (we love hot sunshine!) but have been told to always read small prints and if in doubt as your OIC or probation officer.
When we went abroad, we had no issues getting in (was just as normal) but coming back he could not get through in the UK. His passport flagged up as 'needing assistance' where he went to another booth but with a person. They just asked where he flew from and if he had a nice holiday! So very discreet, just looked like his passport was faulty or something lol.
If you need anything give me a message x
Regarding our holiday - we went to a normal 'family hotel'. His OIC said it is not the hotel they worry about, but more so the country. As long as the hotel did not have any Ts and Cs regarding SO, then we were fine. We have booked again to go back to Egypt as we know it's okay. We will be looking at Turkey in he future and they do not ask for a visa. I know people that have been to Mexico and Dominican Republic also.
Europe is fine for now until he ETIAS come into play - but even so you just apply for the visa and hope for the best because that's what we will be doing lol.
We have never been a couple to go in holiday in the UK (we love hot sunshine!) but have been told to always read small prints and if in doubt as your OIC or probation officer.
When we went abroad, we had no issues getting in (was just as normal) but coming back he could not get through in the UK. His passport flagged up as 'needing assistance' where he went to another booth but with a person. They just asked where he flew from and if he had a nice holiday! So very discreet, just looked like his passport was faulty or something lol.
If you need anything give me a message x