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Hi SoTired,
I can't advise from a legal point of view but that doesn't sound right. Who is it applying that interpretation? My son sounds similar in that he also only has Internet restrictions on his SHPO and we have never been told anything like that.
Having said that, we don't have big family gatherings and my son doesn't see his sister and her children so the situation hasn't arisen. But still, nothing like that has been said by either his PO or the police.
I can't advise from a legal point of view but that doesn't sound right. Who is it applying that interpretation? My son sounds similar in that he also only has Internet restrictions on his SHPO and we have never been told anything like that.
Having said that, we don't have big family gatherings and my son doesn't see his sister and her children so the situation hasn't arisen. But still, nothing like that has been said by either his PO or the police.
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Hi SoTired
I agree with Another Mum, this doesn't sound right to me.
Could you perhaps ask the offender manager from the police to clarify this in writing as it is not stipulated in his SHPO. Have you perhaps thought asking the solicitor who acted for your son his advise on this?
The charity 'unlock' may also be worth contacting for their input/advise too.
I hope you get it sorted asap
I agree with Another Mum, this doesn't sound right to me.
Could you perhaps ask the offender manager from the police to clarify this in writing as it is not stipulated in his SHPO. Have you perhaps thought asking the solicitor who acted for your son his advise on this?
The charity 'unlock' may also be worth contacting for their input/advise too.
I hope you get it sorted asap
Very good advice from Lee1969 and Alison20. Just shown this to my OH and he's said exactly the same. Your solicitor is best placed for legal advice but Unlock can be a big help as well xx
Just to add, my boy is super cautious anyway and will avoid situations where there are children but what if you're out for a meal or at the pub?!!
Just to add, my boy is super cautious anyway and will avoid situations where there are children but what if you're out for a meal or at the pub?!!
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Hi SoTired,
This is the last thing you need, big hugs.
I would suggest a chat with your solicitors to get their advice on what to do.
A SHPO should be clear and not subject to interpretation and it should be commensurate with the offence and not impose unreasonable restrictions. The guidelines make this quite clear.
You really need proper advice on this because, as you say, the last thing you want to do is upset his offender manager - I have a very clear recollection of our solicitor advising us to treat ours like a normal visitor, offer a cup of tea etc.
Fortunately, so far, our son's manager seems fine - fingers crossed for the future and for you and your son. Xx
This is the last thing you need, big hugs.
I would suggest a chat with your solicitors to get their advice on what to do.
A SHPO should be clear and not subject to interpretation and it should be commensurate with the offence and not impose unreasonable restrictions. The guidelines make this quite clear.
You really need proper advice on this because, as you say, the last thing you want to do is upset his offender manager - I have a very clear recollection of our solicitor advising us to treat ours like a normal visitor, offer a cup of tea etc.
Fortunately, so far, our son's manager seems fine - fingers crossed for the future and for you and your son. Xx
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Hi - just curious, if your SHPO states you carnt be near children does that mean you carnt go to McDonalds, have a pub lunch or walk across a park?
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Wow, that sounds very tricky!
Hi SoTired
I think you really need to speak to your son's solicitor regards this matter.
Alternatively you could email/ring Just for Kids Law. They are a charity supporting young people up to the age of 25 years including the criminal justice system. They may be able to support you in challenging the police on this matter.
I think you really need to speak to your son's solicitor regards this matter.
Alternatively you could email/ring Just for Kids Law. They are a charity supporting young people up to the age of 25 years including the criminal justice system. They may be able to support you in challenging the police on this matter.
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It does baffle me how the offender management seem to have the power to make your son disclose without a 'legal' condition in place. I would defo query it if possible to someone with legal background. Surely if the police were worried about him being aror under 16s they can request the condition to be on the SHPO. Sounds like they are 'over stepping their mark'. We have been in a similar situation.
My partner has the no contact restriction. When he was sentenced he wasn't asked about my family and who had kids etc. Admittedly we both misunderstood the condition and had on at least one occasion had my partner at a family event with my cousin present. We thought with me being supervising it was ok. It wasn't until near the end of his sentence that my partner got into trouble but thankfully he was cautioned, we did have disclose to my aunt and uncle however.
But this was when the PO and police were then interested my family dynamic. I told them my cousins had young kids but I rarely see them and we would avoid my partner being near them to avoid disclosure. The police initially when on the rhetoric of 'what ifs', such as family events and surprise visits. We had said that surprises were going to be very rare, they love far away and my mum would let us know if they were in the area. The police were pushing us to disclose, solicitor advise was that the police were over stepping.
We finally got the police to agree that if my partner did bump into the kids we would make our excuses and leave asap, and let the police know. However the police have warned this agreement may change.
I understand the wanting to stay on their good side, but they can also be flawed. Essentially, without the SHPO clause, what exactly would the 'punishment' be for breaching a 'condotion' which seems the police have 'made up'?
Also to note, we have had police threaten to turn up when on holiday because the place we were staying was bear a school- there are no restrictions on my partner in regards to schools. I can see the police are being protective, but they are not there to decide the punishment/restrictions- they are to enforce. They should be making the case to the courtt for changes, not imposing additional restrictions.
My partner has the no contact restriction. When he was sentenced he wasn't asked about my family and who had kids etc. Admittedly we both misunderstood the condition and had on at least one occasion had my partner at a family event with my cousin present. We thought with me being supervising it was ok. It wasn't until near the end of his sentence that my partner got into trouble but thankfully he was cautioned, we did have disclose to my aunt and uncle however.
But this was when the PO and police were then interested my family dynamic. I told them my cousins had young kids but I rarely see them and we would avoid my partner being near them to avoid disclosure. The police initially when on the rhetoric of 'what ifs', such as family events and surprise visits. We had said that surprises were going to be very rare, they love far away and my mum would let us know if they were in the area. The police were pushing us to disclose, solicitor advise was that the police were over stepping.
We finally got the police to agree that if my partner did bump into the kids we would make our excuses and leave asap, and let the police know. However the police have warned this agreement may change.
I understand the wanting to stay on their good side, but they can also be flawed. Essentially, without the SHPO clause, what exactly would the 'punishment' be for breaching a 'condotion' which seems the police have 'made up'?
Also to note, we have had police threaten to turn up when on holiday because the place we were staying was bear a school- there are no restrictions on my partner in regards to schools. I can see the police are being protective, but they are not there to decide the punishment/restrictions- they are to enforce. They should be making the case to the courtt for changes, not imposing additional restrictions.