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Does anyone have any experience of this?
My partner was pleading not guilty to a charge. The CPS have offered my partner a slightly lower charge, but he has to plead guilty. He has a goodyear hearing tomorrow to understand what he's likely get if he pleaded guilty.
Does anyone have any experience in this? He'll have to make decision quite quickly.
My partner was pleading not guilty to a charge. The CPS have offered my partner a slightly lower charge, but he has to plead guilty. He has a goodyear hearing tomorrow to understand what he's likely get if he pleaded guilty.
Does anyone have any experience in this? He'll have to make decision quite quickly.
Hey SAL,
Obviously I have no clue but just wanted to respond to you and wish you both the best. Hopefully someone may have some guidance and see this in time! Has his solicitor/barrister not given their opinion as to what would be the best thing to do? If he was going to plead not guilty anyway would it not be worth sticking it out? Sounds like their evidence may not be great if they're offering a lesser charge. It's such a gamble isn't it. x
Obviously I have no clue but just wanted to respond to you and wish you both the best. Hopefully someone may have some guidance and see this in time! Has his solicitor/barrister not given their opinion as to what would be the best thing to do? If he was going to plead not guilty anyway would it not be worth sticking it out? Sounds like their evidence may not be great if they're offering a lesser charge. It's such a gamble isn't it. x
Yes SAL I have heard of Goodyear, however for my childrens father he's adamant he's not guilty so this wasn't an option for him. The hearing is to give them the opertunity to hear what the maximum sentence would be and therefore for some people will give clarity one way or another to say if they are guilty or not. Apparently they said it wouldn't be disclosed to the jury this has taken place if it was to still go to trial. I guess he and the barrister have to weigh up the options. However if they are offering a lesser charge this maybe because they can't back up with evidence the charge they have put forward?
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Raaaghgh.
This is so bloody hard. When you've been told to expect a reasonably long custodial, anything that might be less than what it would have been seems good, it's still horrible and will have massive impacts on his life.
While my partner is adamant he's not guilty. The evidence to support that is not strong. He's been so bloody naive. Even if the outcome looks much more positive I don't even know if he'd plead guilty - He says it would fundamentally change him, pleading guilty to something he's doesn't think he's guilt of.
BaffledB, a point you made on another post, about people not even being aware they were breaking the law is so true. One conversation on a fantasy website where all kinds of role play scenarios are played out but don't ever want to happen.
Summer, I hadn't even thought about whether the jury would find out or know.
This all feels like the biggest gamble of his life.
This is so bloody hard. When you've been told to expect a reasonably long custodial, anything that might be less than what it would have been seems good, it's still horrible and will have massive impacts on his life.
While my partner is adamant he's not guilty. The evidence to support that is not strong. He's been so bloody naive. Even if the outcome looks much more positive I don't even know if he'd plead guilty - He says it would fundamentally change him, pleading guilty to something he's doesn't think he's guilt of.
BaffledB, a point you made on another post, about people not even being aware they were breaking the law is so true. One conversation on a fantasy website where all kinds of role play scenarios are played out but don't ever want to happen.
Summer, I hadn't even thought about whether the jury would find out or know.
This all feels like the biggest gamble of his life.
Ah Sal I totally sympathise. I really do not believe everybody wrapped up in some of these allegations should be brought to trial. If his evidence isn't particularly strong and there's a chance, don't forget all members of a jury have to agree to the verdict so there are effectively 12 chances to persuade otherwise. I can understand why he wouldn't want to plead guilty just for a potential lesser sentence, it's sort of like giving in on your belief. I hope the hearing goes well and perhaps something comes to light which makes the decision or anticipation of a trial easier for you both x
BaffledB, it turns out the judge wouldn't give an indication but did confirm the category and the barrister then confirmed the ranges for that category.
He had only minutes to decide whether to plead guilty or not. He pleaded guilty.
We both felt broken yesterday. I was never convinced that he was doing the right thing going to trial, but that loss of hope (however small) and knowing he'll now definitely be going to prison broke us. Today we feel better.
We can plan the next few weeks together. There were so many uncertainties with a trial, would he be found guilty, would he be taken away immediately, what day of the trial would that happen.
The whole lead up had been so stressful we hadn't been able to discuss expectations regarding our relationship and what our contact may look like. We'd hastely thrown his house into storage, all unorganised, dealt with all the practical things. He hasn't spoken to people he really should and we haven't spoken about things we (and I) need to.
We've got time now to prepare, he has time for more counselling, we might have some time to have counselling together and we have some space to discuss us and he now has some space to support me. We unfortunately have 7 weeks to wait for sentencing.
I don't know if it was that he was so ground down that he just decided to accept the slightly lower charge, whether he's now decided there is more guilt that he first felt ( he never denied having the conversation, just that it was role play) or just felt that he just realised that a trial was unlikely to go his way.
There is this strange sense of calm, at least at the moment.
He had only minutes to decide whether to plead guilty or not. He pleaded guilty.
We both felt broken yesterday. I was never convinced that he was doing the right thing going to trial, but that loss of hope (however small) and knowing he'll now definitely be going to prison broke us. Today we feel better.
We can plan the next few weeks together. There were so many uncertainties with a trial, would he be found guilty, would he be taken away immediately, what day of the trial would that happen.
The whole lead up had been so stressful we hadn't been able to discuss expectations regarding our relationship and what our contact may look like. We'd hastely thrown his house into storage, all unorganised, dealt with all the practical things. He hasn't spoken to people he really should and we haven't spoken about things we (and I) need to.
We've got time now to prepare, he has time for more counselling, we might have some time to have counselling together and we have some space to discuss us and he now has some space to support me. We unfortunately have 7 weeks to wait for sentencing.
I don't know if it was that he was so ground down that he just decided to accept the slightly lower charge, whether he's now decided there is more guilt that he first felt ( he never denied having the conversation, just that it was role play) or just felt that he just realised that a trial was unlikely to go his way.
There is this strange sense of calm, at least at the moment.
I guess at least it's sort of cemented things a bit more now and you have something to work with rather than just uncertainties. I guess when it comes to situations like this they're not actually guilty of having ill intent but unfortunately the law states it's an illegal act, still very unfair! Hopefully he gets the absolute minimum and the judge uses some common sense to see it's a silly mistake as opposed to something more sinister. Wishing you both the best and hope you manage to have some kind of enjoyment over the next few weeks xx