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Loobylou

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March 2022

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Posted Fri March 18, 2022 2:25amReport post

I have been lurking on these forums for a while, ever since we had the knock in November 2020. Reading them has been an emormas help to me in what is a nightmare situation.

My husband was arrested for recieiving 4 cat A images. I was totally stunned. He had a previous conviction from before we got together in 2003, but I had always believed him when he told me he had downloaded the original pictures by accident. After much soul searching I decided to stay with him and support him. He is a gentle, kind man. He is a good man who has down a bad thing.

After the knock (dear god, 6:50 in the morning) and being released under investigation he embarked on the Stopitnow courses and other help to assist him in overcoming this need. He has done very well, but always there was that sword hanging over us. In addtion it has split my family, (my boy and girl are grown up and not at home). Neither will speak to him and if they come home he has to move into a hotel for the duration. I have 2 brothers, one won't have anything to do with him, the other will.

Move on a year, and he is charged with 4 cat As, 20 cat Bs and 100 odd cat Cs. He pleads guilty and now we await sentencing at crown court. His probation report was very good and he got a suspended sentence, SOR and SHPO (10 years). We breathed a big sigh of relief. Phew - over at last....

Yeah right. Local paper was there and the atricle (nasty and making him easily identifiable) came out the next day. The brown stuff really hit the fan and I certainly discovered who my real friends were. Is was almost funny watching my friend count go down on Facebook. One so called friend even shared the link to the article on her Facebook feed just in case anyone had missed it. I was so hurt as this was now aimed at me. And I have done nothing wrong. Yet I felt my life was wrecked.

We are now a month on from that and things have quietened down, and he has been enrolling on courses to carve out extra work. I have bought him a new laptop (arrived Monday) which he duly reports and has the monitoring software loaded onto it on Tuesday. I am optomistic again that we can at last move forward. He has been worling with the police contact and his probation worker and all seems calm.

On no you don't, the universe seems to scream. This morning another knock and 6 policemen arrived. Apparently he had run an app on his phone to clean it and this is against his SHPO. (Not allowed to delete things from his devices). So off they take him and go through the house again and this time they take away the brand new laptop. They have charged him with breach of his SHPO and are keeping him overnight. He's up before the magistrates tomorrow. I have managed to talk to him on the phone.

Thus why I am sitting here typing this at 2:15 in the morning. I cannot sleep. I don't know how much more of this I can take. It just feels like everytime I try to get up off the floor someone just pushes me back down. I have no idea what will happen tomorrow (well today). I guess he could go to jail. I'm so sad and lonely (just to add an extra twist I tested positive for covid yesterday). The house is deathly quiet and I just wanted to reach out to you all.

Thanks for taking the time to read.

Dawn14

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June 2021

472 posts

Posted Fri March 18, 2022 3:49pmReport post

Hi Loobylou,



I am sorry to hear things are not going great, I hope things weren't to bad today and hopefully they understood it was a mistake to try and clear his phone. I hope u r feeling better. Please talk on here, I think this journey can be just as hard at the end as it is in the beginning. Here if u need to talk xxxx

Loobylou

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March 2022

28 posts

Posted Fri March 18, 2022 4:26pmReport post

Thanks for your replies. It's great to know you are all out there.

Sadly things didn't go well. He has been remanded in custody until a crown court hearing in a month. So he's been taken to the nearest remand centre which is over 100 miles away. He didn't enter a plea (as advised by his solicitor) but there is a risk that if he is found guilty of breaching his order he will have to serve his suspended sentence. I can't visit for at least 10 days as they quarantine everyone entering the prison because of covid. I am struggling to come to terms with it. It's like a waking nightmare. He should be able to ring me tonight when he gets there. So I guess this is new normal for now. I wonder if we'll ever get a good break.

Loobylou

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Posted Fri March 18, 2022 4:26pmReport post

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Hopeforthefuture

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Posted Fri March 18, 2022 5:07pmReport post

Lou,

my heart breaks for you I truly hope your ok xxx

Upset mum

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Posted Fri March 18, 2022 5:19pmReport post

I am so sorry to read your post and the outcome of today :-(

Just wanted to send you virtual hugs x

Daffodil

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Posted Fri March 18, 2022 5:28pmReport post

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Bitterbean

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Posted Fri March 18, 2022 5:30pmReport post

LoobyLou,

I have no words, but feel desperately sad for you and this situation. I so sorry you find yourself here again after being at the point where you could start moving on. It sometimes feels like we are being tested to the very limits of our endurance, sometimes beyond.

Smile through tears

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Posted Fri March 18, 2022 6:28pmReport post

I'll add my hug too- bless xxxxx

Loobylou

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Posted Fri March 18, 2022 6:34pmReport post

Thank you all. I am waiting for the call, feeling very sad and alone. Evenings will be the worst. An empty sofa... just got to get used to that I guess. At least I've got dogs who need me. I can't even begin to imagine how he's feeling. All for such a stupid mistake. Still, we pick ourselves up, dust ourselves off, and get on with it. Again.

Lola53

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May 2021

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Posted Fri March 18, 2022 7:05pmReport post

Loobylou, I just want to add my hug to all the other virtual hugs - I don't think anyone that hasn't experienced it first hand could ever understand the pain we go through. You've been dealt an extra shitty hand and my heart goes out to you.

Wishing you peace and strength xx

Sarah ??

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January 2021

177 posts

Posted Fri March 18, 2022 8:16pmReport post

Hi,

Hopefully you will get a call however it took the prison 2 weeks to approve numbers for my ex and becauseof his offencehe didnt get the usual reception call. I called the prison to check on his wellbeing in this time and they were pretty accommodating. He will be able to write a letter so once you have his prisoner number set up an email a prisoner account.

I hope he is treated fairly by the court.

Xx

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Dawn14

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Posted Fri March 18, 2022 8:30pmReport post

Hi loobylou,

I am so sorry ur nightmare is continuing sending u love and hugs xx

LostandConfused

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July 2021

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Posted Sat March 19, 2022 12:00amReport post

Sending big hugs to you xx

Sadsister22

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Posted Sat March 19, 2022 12:16amReport post

Hiya

Sending my virtual hugs too, so sorry this has happened.

The weekend is going to be sunny, maybe it will be good for you to take your dogs out for a nice long walk with a friend (or alone). Might clear your head even just for a few hours.

Take care of yourself.

Xxx

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Loobylou

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March 2022

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Posted Tue March 22, 2022 1:39pmReport post

Hi guys, just a quick update. Hubby arrived at prison Friday night and I have still not heard from him. Today is Tuesday. I am beside myself with worry. I can't find out is this is because he's not set up yet properly on the system or that he just doesn't want to talk to me. I would never have thought he would do that (totally out of character) but I have no idea how this totally unexpected turn has hit him. So every scenerio is running through my head which is killing me. I think the trouble with being a woman is that you are too empathetic, so of course I am imagining the worst. I just want to talk to him, establish some contact. I am really struggling to cope with this, I've phoned the prison many times, sent him emails, put money in his prison account, sent books. I am devastated, has he really cut me off? Sorry, just wanted to rant. I feel so helpless, and I am the one who always drives things, organises etc. So far out of my comfort zone, I'm on another planet. Any advice or thoughts would be gratefully recieved.

Sarah ??

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January 2021

177 posts

Posted Tue March 22, 2022 1:51pmReport post

Hello,

I absolutely feel your anguish. It took almost two weeks after sentencing for contact to be established.

Did the prison offer any advice? For me I spoke to an officer on his wing who confirmed he was ok and would be in touch ASAP.

Xxx

Loobylou

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March 2022

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Posted Tue March 22, 2022 2:03pmReport post

I think that is my frustration. I can't actually get as far as to talking directly to someone on the wing. I've only got his prisoner number because a very kind person on the telephone gave it to me on the Friday night (which I don't think he was supposed to). I have been told that that people on the wing have checked on him and he's ok, but I can't seem to ascertain whether he can or can't make phone calls. I wasn't sure if he could remember my number, but I've given it to loads of different people and included it on the emails I sent. I feel like I am banging my head on a brick wall.

Tabs

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November 2019

501 posts

Posted Tue March 22, 2022 2:25pmReport post

Hi, try not to worry....easier said than done I know! They are supposed to be allowed a phone call on reception at the prison, my husband wasn't offered this!! It then took a few days for my telephone number to be approved. I received a call from a member of staff at the prison to check with me before he could then make a call. In his first prison he had a phone in shared cell, which meant he could phone whenever he wanted, but this meant there was no privacy as they are locked down 'due to covid'. He is now in a prison with just wing phones, but again they are not allowed out of their cells for very long, particularly when new in as they are put into isolation. His calls are timed for 10 mins and there is always a queue.
I'm afraid it's all an eye opener! The prison service is not fit for purpose. He's been in for nearly a year now and I have learned to handle it all better, but it is a massive worry early on. I was very worried at one stage and tried to check up on him. I found out that if he is ill, next of kin are are not informed. Which is not helpful. As I say, you do learn to manage these feelings better as time goes on.
Try to use this time to concentrate on you. He will be taken care of. I would advise, even if not religious, for him to connect with the prison chaplains. My husband is finding them a source of comfort.

Big big virtual hug. xxxx

Tabs

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November 2019

501 posts

Posted Tue March 22, 2022 2:45pmReport post

It's also worth using a forum for families of prisoners for more information

https://insidetime.org/forum/index.php?/forum/2-loved-ones-inside/

I have also used a helpline

https://www.prisonersfamilies.org/



Ive found both really helpful. The helpline has had to listen to me sobbing down the phone a few times!



Xxx

Loobylou

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March 2022

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Posted Tue March 22, 2022 2:45pmReport post

Thank you so much. Yes it is a massive learning curve. And I think you are right about concentrating on myself. This is so hard. It's like you are blocked at every turn. All the web sites go on about prisons having the well being of the prisoner in mind, but it must be such a shock to hubby as we had no time to prepare. I am trying to prepare myself for him having to serve the full term (9 months) so I will need to adjust to it soon. I think once communication is established it will be easier. I jsut want to know that he still wants to talk to me and not in such a dark place he feels he can't do that.

Tabs

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November 2019

501 posts

Posted Tue March 22, 2022 3:13pmReport post

You will feel better once you hear from him. I had some pretty distressing calls initially, he was not expecting prison, but he found that his first cell mate gave him some good advice on how to cope, and helped him navigate it all. The prison have a duty of care. Medically they have been very good (he has a lot of health issues). He soon got to know which officers were caring and which weren't.
Try to distract yourself somehow. Again I know it's not easy. I tried meditation and mindfulness. I find it very easy to catastrophise...so have to bring myself back to the present. Friends help me too with that!! Chances are everything is fine and they are short staffed! Emails and post are handled very slowly in prison. It's very low priority.

Xxx

Loobylou

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March 2022

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Posted Tue March 22, 2022 3:35pmReport post

Ah Tabs, that is so helpful, thank you so much. You have gone a long way to putting my mind at rest, and stopping it spinning round in circles. Porr hubby is going to get a lot of slightly panicked emails from me!

Upset mum

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June 2020

2385 posts

Posted Tue March 22, 2022 4:12pmReport post

Loobylou,

I diddnt hear from my son until the 6th day and had no idea where they took him on remand we finally got a call to verify my number I was a complete mess until I spoke to him so as everyone has mentioned try not to panic to much and hopefully you will here from him tomorrow xx

Hugs sent x

Sarah ??

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January 2021

177 posts

Posted Tue March 22, 2022 7:07pmReport post

With any sexual offending prisons will have to do a risk assessment before they are allowed contact by phone. So they are not routinely offered a reception call.

He'll be in touch! The first few weeks are the worst. It will settle and you'll get into a routine. Keep sending letters/emails. He'll appreciate it I'm sure.

Xxx

Melody

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March 2020

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Posted Tue March 22, 2022 7:50pmReport post

I'm so sorry to hear you are going through this. Our stories have parallels..My husband was imprisoned last year for his second offence. This was many years after the first offence, which was from before we were together. I live in fear that something similar will happen with a shpo breach and a third knock will come.

The first week or two of prison is the WORST. Establishing contact makes things much better..once you know they are safe. You should hear from him in the next couple of days hopefully . You have had some wonderful advice so far but just wanted to empathise.... It's damn hard and painful and your heart feels broken and exhausted. But keep putting one foot in front of the other , cope with each minute as it comes. You are amazing and still standing. Never underestimate your own strength to have coped to get this far x

Loobylou

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March 2022

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Posted Tue March 22, 2022 10:07pmReport post

I am overwhelmed by the wonderful reponses. What inspirational and supporting people you are. You have helped me so much. I draw strength from you all. I send hugs back to you.

Upset mum

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June 2020

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Posted Wed March 23, 2022 5:35pmReport post

Evening Loobylou,

Just wanted to see how you are keeping and if you have managed to have a call.from your hubby as yet?xx

Loobylou

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March 2022

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Posted Wed March 23, 2022 7:11pmReport post

Hi, finally today I got a reply to one of the many emails I have sent. What joy a single email brought. He is ok, bit miserable obviously, but coping. Has been trying to phone me but my number is not set up on the security system yet. So relieved though, even though our communications are 3 days out of date. It's something. And hopefully he'll be able to phone me soon. But I think that when he goes to court in mid April they will probably enforce the full sentance as he has technically breached his order. I am trying to prepare myself for that. But it's not forever and I have a good support system and you lovely ladies to reach out to when I'm down. Xx

Upset mum

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June 2020

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Posted Wed March 23, 2022 7:15pmReport post

Hi Loobylou,

Ahh so glad you have finally had some contact from your hubby what a relief that must have been for you and hopefully he will be able to call you soon xx

Tabs

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November 2019

501 posts

Posted Thu March 24, 2022 9:58amReport post

So pleased you've heard from him. That must be a huge relief. I hope you're soon able to relax a little. xx

Newlady

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April 2021

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Posted Thu March 24, 2022 12:18pmReport post

So glad you've heard from him, it's so unfair they were obviously gunning to put him away for any reason at all it was a simple mistake. Chin up xx

Loobylou

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March 2022

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Posted Mon April 11, 2022 7:17pmReport post

Just thought I would add an update. I have managed to make contact by phone (took a week). We now speak twice a day. I even managed a visit last week, which was wonderful and heart breaking all at the same time. This has been a learning curve like no other. It is almost impossible to achieve anything from the outside, all has to come from him. And he is not the most proactive of people. He is surviving and I am trying to achieve a damage limitation on the outside. He is up in court on the 19th April, but I think it will be adjourned. And he'll go back on remand I guess. It all seems so unnecessary. He was incredibly stupid, but obviously he's not the only one suffering. And keeping him in jail achieves nothing. Just to add an extra twist our landlord has decided she wants to sell the house, so I'll probably have move on my own. Still, each day is a day closer to his release, whenever that may be. Sending love and hugs to all you lovely ladies. Together we are stronger. Xx

Nevergoingtobethesame22

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March 2022

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Posted Mon April 11, 2022 8:53pmReport post

HI LOOBYLOU,

I wanted to say hang in there! I can empathise, it's absolutely heartbreaking my other half has been remanded in custody for 6 weeks now and had plea and pre trial today which has said that provisional date for trial for Jan 2023. It is looking like he will be on remand till then.

Keep strong, being on remand is for his safety and wellbeing too. Yes it's absolutely rubbish for us but remember he will be looked after.

It's horrible that your landlord is going to sell your house. You are strong and you can do this and move by yourself. You may even find it as a welcome distraction and like a project of sorts.

Things do seem to work slowly in prison, but remember we're now in an age where we now are used to things happening quick and having information at the end of our fingertips.

Keep strong Lou

Upset mum

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June 2020

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Posted Mon April 11, 2022 9:16pmReport post

Evening Loobylou,

So glad to hear you have established contact and managed a visit x

We are 7 months in to my son been on remand his sentancing has been postponed twice now waiting for another date, fingers x your hubby's goes ahead without any issues, sorry to hear about your landlord wanting to sell perhaps you can speak to the council or a housing association to see if they can help you, I private rent and will be moving next year at some point x

Hope you are ok xx

Loobylou

Member since
March 2022

28 posts

Posted Sun July 17, 2022 7:41pmReport post

Hi everyone,

I thought I would give you an update on this crazy journey. As you know my OH was in jail for running a cleaning app. I subsequently discovered that because his usual solicitor had covid at the time of the Magistrates hearing, the head of the legal team represented him and said, and I quote, "if you think you are going to get bail you can whistle" and didn't even apply for it. I was furious and wrote an outraged email to OHs own solicitor. She apologised profusily and they have been working much harder since.

The hearing was put back to 29th April and as soon as it started the judge immediately granted bail without being asked. So I got him home! Hurrah. 6 weeks he was in and was pretty traumatised by the experience (as was I).

Fast forward and the police seem to have almost completely lost interest, and our solicitors will be pushing for a dismissal. There is no evidence that the browsing history was deleted, which is what is against the SHPO, only that the cleaning app was run, which in itself is not a breach.

It feels almost like they were trying to pull a fast one, and given the result was 6 weeks in jail and the high cost of the our solicitors is infuriating. But onwards and upwards, and we are not out of the woods yet.

We have moved house and are enjoying a new start where nobody knows us. And I think we will come out of this stronger and my OH will be a better and happier person than the one whose mental health pulled him down that rabbit hole in the first place. The other good news is that my daughter has reached a place where she will talk to him and will come and stay with us without him having to leave, which is HUGE! So this is a positive post, and given some of the dark times we have been through, a message that it can and does get better. Yes we have the SOR restrictions etc., but generally life is good. There is light at the end of the tunnel, however far away it seems.

Dawn14

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June 2021

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Posted Sun July 17, 2022 9:13pmReport post

Hi Loobylou,

That sounds like very good and positive things are happening, I am so happy for u xx

Bitterbean

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Posted Sun July 17, 2022 10:16pmReport post

LoobyLou

That's good news to hear, I was horrified to read your original post back in March.

Hope all goes smoothly from now on.

Loobylou

Member since
March 2022

28 posts

Posted Fri March 17, 2023 3:08pmReport post

Hi. It's been exactly a year this week since I posted after OH had been arrested for supposedly breaching his SHPO. You will see up thread the whole story.
This week I have been having some flash backs to that terrible time, but I wanted to post to let you know where we ended up.

After he was relesased, various dates were set and then adjourned to hear the case. At this point he had not entered a plea as our solicitors were still waiting for evidence from the police. This was all pretty stressful as you can imagine, but eventually they didn't submit anything other than the fact he ran a cleaning app. We then heard that the prosecution were not going to offer anything else and were dropping the case. So OH had to go to court, plead not guilty and the case was dismissed.



We got all our kit back, but decided that he would continue to use the dumb phone he had (as the monitoring software on the smartphone was very flaky and the police had tried to make out he had been messing with it) and we sold his smart phone. He only has his laptop which has the software on it.

No solicitors fees (presumably had to be paid by police) and we were paid back the contribution we had made to legal aid (£7500).

Obviously a great result although we had to go through the whole prison thing. And my heart goes out to all of you who have been and are going through this too. The prison service seems broken. And it's so hard for those of us on the outside. But ultimately we have got through it and are living a good life. Both my children have now accepted him (indeed my son is living with us temporarily). We are very careful to comply with the conditions of both the SHPO and SOR. This time last year I was in such a dark place, and I guess this post is to say there is life after this. Different for sure, but still good.

Sending love and support to all you out there. You helped me so much in my time of need, and if I can help others with believing it gets better, and giving hope then that's great. Take care. X

Another worried mum

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Posted Fri March 17, 2023 7:29pmReport post

So lovely of you to come on and update. Its really nice to hear stories of people who are living happy(if different) lives, it gives those of us in the midst of it all some much needed hope. So thank you and sending you all the best wishes for your future. X

Jayjay

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December 2021

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Posted Fri March 17, 2023 7:41pmReport post

Looby, I was outraged reading your post, then I realised it was off a year ago and had a happy ending. Very happy for you and it certainly is all a learning curve x