A quick question
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Just wondering if anyone can help if there is nothing found on your devices are you still charged if you have been reported by your Internet provider kik etc..
Thanks
Thanks
Hi Rick
I've read some of your story on a previous thread.
My family member was also involved with the kik app. He was in an adult chat site and someone he was speaking to convinced him to sign up to kik. From what he has told us he was talking to the person via kik and ended up in a group chat and some images / videos were sent through but he doesn't know who by. He admitted to the police that he viewed these and from what I know this is the crime. He then deleted the app. Like you I've searched to find out what could be on his phone but the answers vary. The police said the IP address was flagged up. This happened in February last year and didn't receive the knock until October. Sounds like a similar case. Im praying for a good outcome.
I've read some of your story on a previous thread.
My family member was also involved with the kik app. He was in an adult chat site and someone he was speaking to convinced him to sign up to kik. From what he has told us he was talking to the person via kik and ended up in a group chat and some images / videos were sent through but he doesn't know who by. He admitted to the police that he viewed these and from what I know this is the crime. He then deleted the app. Like you I've searched to find out what could be on his phone but the answers vary. The police said the IP address was flagged up. This happened in February last year and didn't receive the knock until October. Sounds like a similar case. Im praying for a good outcome.
I’m far from sure that there is nothing on the device. If what he has told us is the truth (hopefully it is because it’s took a lot to even believe that and it will be more hurtful if he has lied) then those are the only images viewed. So what I meant was I’ve been searching to find out, in the case of kik, whether the images automatically download etc to know whether they will be on the phone or whether they’ve gone with the app. I understand there could be all sorts of stuff there like you’ve said things don’t just disappear and things can download without your knowledge - I was just referring to the images from the app. I only know what the police have said which was that the IP address was flagged up in feb. He was interviewed and the phone was taken.
Ops sorry - jumping in! He wasn't shown any evidence. All they said was that the IP address was flagged up and that the images had been on kik. He admitted it was him that had been on the app and that he had seen the images. He then went in for interview where they asked him questions about why he was in the group / forum (not sure how it works tbh) if he knew who sent the images, how he ended up there etc. They talked about categories and stated what they believed the image / video fell under. Told him the phone would be checked within 6 months but of course that's not been the case.
and again all of this is based on what I've been told - I've read the solicitors letter but other than that going off what he has said.
and again all of this is based on what I've been told - I've read the solicitors letter but other than that going off what he has said.
I often wonder if he should've gone no comment - this wasn't advised by the solicitor I don't think. But he had already admitted it was him they were looking for when they were at the house.
it's just a waiting game for when the device comes back I guess. Awful being in limbo though.
it's just a waiting game for when the device comes back I guess. Awful being in limbo though.
Thanks Lee! I'm at a point where I have more good days than bad right now. Hopefully you get the outcome you want from the 2nd arrest. Sending love.
Very interesting Emma thanks for you comments I was just asking in general what would be the case if nothing was found on devices but obviously the poilce have some sort of report or like Emma said something has been flagged up ...Lee I'm not saying there's nothing on his devices I was just asking what if thank you so much both of you it really is appreciated
Thank you
Thank you
Sorry I was late replying I was at work
Hi Emma just wondering if you had heard anything else yet like you say I think your case is very similar to ours
Nope heard nothing since that original knock on the door in October. I do think they are similar cases - we'll have to keep each other updated.
We are in the nw they said 4 to 6 months but said it could be longer if more important cases came in so no idea how long really...I'll keep you updated Emma
Thank you
Thank you
We are nw too
Arrest in October and just been for 2nd interview
Arrest in October and just been for 2nd interview
We were told 6 months we've just passed this mark. We are NE.
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Same situation here. 2 pictures linked to his phone via ip address sent on kik. This was march 2021 when the knock for that came.
Husband claimed no idea etc, we were told 6 months for devices. Over a year later, lulled into a false sense of security, the second interview revealed over 70 images linked to my husband over several years. Possibly would have been more if he'd had older devices based off timelines. He swore blind he knew nothing of these, then after 3 weeks finally admitted claiming he forgot.
Disgusted by the fact he was looking and furious he lied for so long. Police are so slow, and the CPU, as now not really triusting him when he says that is all.
Basically, unfortunately be prepared for bad news. As it's easier to deal with that being false than thinking they're completely innocent and finding out they're not. A good partner would understand you having to wait for the evidence as this doesn't tend to just happen to people.
Husband claimed no idea etc, we were told 6 months for devices. Over a year later, lulled into a false sense of security, the second interview revealed over 70 images linked to my husband over several years. Possibly would have been more if he'd had older devices based off timelines. He swore blind he knew nothing of these, then after 3 weeks finally admitted claiming he forgot.
Disgusted by the fact he was looking and furious he lied for so long. Police are so slow, and the CPU, as now not really triusting him when he says that is all.
Basically, unfortunately be prepared for bad news. As it's easier to deal with that being false than thinking they're completely innocent and finding out they're not. A good partner would understand you having to wait for the evidence as this doesn't tend to just happen to people.
What happened with the interviews nms..we've had no arrest so far obviously that's subject to change at a moments notice
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Yes daffodil evey word that's said is noted by the police nicely nicely approach then go in hard depending on evidence remember there main aim is to get a conviction at all costs
Hi Emma258 just wondering if you had heard anything yet
Thanks
Thanks
Still nothing! How about you?
Same as you Emma we've heard nothing yet but it only been about 5 weeks he said they said 4 to 6 months but I suppose it could be a couple of months or 12 months ...like you he said they never presented him with any evidence so I assume they are banking on finding some
Oh yes still very early days Rick
We are just over 7 months now. Such a long and scary process.
We are just over 7 months now. Such a long and scary process.
My OH took 13 month from the knock on the door then another 14 month to get to court it's horrible leaving family worrying about when and how long it's going to be hope it's not too much longer for you both and yous get a good outcome.
take care of your selfs too hugs to you both xx
take care of your selfs too hugs to you both xx
Thank you so much
My OH took 13 months from start to finish.
We are in the NW they do seem to be a bit quicker most of the time but it does depend on the priority of the case alot from what I've been told and the evidence they already have ..ie if they have evidence it tends to be a bit quicker as they don't have to do as much digging but it really can vary and the police will never tell you anything..
Sounds similar to my partner's case. Arrested but at interview no evidence shown, just read some transcripts of supposed conversations online, no photos shown. Duty solicitor had told him to go no comment, which he did.
Partner says he was viewing porn and chatting with others about it, but that he didn't believe any of them were photos of minors or he wouldn't have done it. Whether I/you believe that or not is another matter.
It's 3 months since the knock and he's now RUI as of earlier this week, after being on bail with conditions. However he's still suspended from work as the Police contacted them when he was arrested, and we're fearing the worst with that which will mean his whole career down the toilet as well. As I don't work it really is a horrendously scary time, not knowing how we're going to pay our bills in the future if he does lose his job on top of everything else.
Partner says he was viewing porn and chatting with others about it, but that he didn't believe any of them were photos of minors or he wouldn't have done it. Whether I/you believe that or not is another matter.
It's 3 months since the knock and he's now RUI as of earlier this week, after being on bail with conditions. However he's still suspended from work as the Police contacted them when he was arrested, and we're fearing the worst with that which will mean his whole career down the toilet as well. As I don't work it really is a horrendously scary time, not knowing how we're going to pay our bills in the future if he does lose his job on top of everything else.
From what I've read and information I can gather and believe me I've spent hours and hours looking is the police get a report of tech companies or isp providers that something has been downloaded or viewed ect as its flagged up on there systems but they don't always have hard evidence so the only way is to go and retrive the device's which they believe have been used there's no other way of doing it really now I'm some cases there may not be anything on the device's or anything that would stand up in court but I think in most cases they do find something..our member wasn't arrested or even taken to the station just device's taken and the police saying they will be in touch no idea when obviously they said it was for viewing indecent images...not even an interview just a few questions about any storage account etc....so like I say from what I can gather and I maybe totally wrong they just have a report saying this it what the company ie tech or isp company belive is what has happened so with that the poilce have to investigate and find hard evidence which maybe easy or not but all cases are different and evidence on each case is different....but basically that's why it takes so long...this is what I've found out doing my own research
Thanks for the reply Rick. Just got to carry on playing the waiting game.
No problem keep updated
Hi ....worst than any nightmare
I forgot to say if anything has been saved or downloaded to a device or computer and been deleted it will most probably be found but if nothing has been saved or downloaded there is no information on the device to be used as evidence im only saying as I don't know your circumstances hard evidence is the key alot are decoys and they take screenshot and have the evidence on hand those cases tend to be a bit more clear cut in most cases but not all .... if a crime has been committed there had to be hard evidence but alot of the time because of the nature of these crimes the police hope that people will just go along with everything just to get it over as soon as possible they know no body wants to be ousted if they can help it so they will play on that
I forgot to say if anything has been saved or downloaded to a device or computer and been deleted it will most probably be found but if nothing has been saved or downloaded there is no information on the device to be used as evidence im only saying as I don't know your circumstances hard evidence is the key alot are decoys and they take screenshot and have the evidence on hand those cases tend to be a bit more clear cut in most cases but not all .... if a crime has been committed there had to be hard evidence but alot of the time because of the nature of these crimes the police hope that people will just go along with everything just to get it over as soon as possible they know no body wants to be ousted if they can help it so they will play on that
Hi Emma 258 just wondering if you are any further on as in any developments yet .
Hi Emma 258 just wondering if you had heard anything. We've been nearly 4 months nothing as yet ..thanks
Sorry Rick I didn't see your previous comment.
No we are still no futher forward. We are now close to 10 months.
No we are still no futher forward. We are now close to 10 months.
I thought you must not have seen it before lol..just wondering if you had heard anything but obviously not ..I think it's a very similar situation although no 2 cases are identical...thanks for the update.
No problem Rick! Let's keep each other posted.
OK will do Emma
Hi Emma just to let you know our member had a letter from the police saying no further action and devices would be returned so good news ...How's it going with you ...took just over 4 months.
That's great news Rick! It's always good to hear a positive story on here x
Aw that is fantastic Rick! I'm so pleased for you and your family member. What great news! Unfortunately for us we are still waiting.. approaching the one year mark now :(
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Thank you all for your lovely comments...as we all know this journey is hell ... I wish the very best to everyone on here .
I'm in the same situation and I'm wondering if Rick would mind me asking a question. You said your partners case has been dropped because presumably no evidence could be found on any devices. How do you feel about the fact that he was probably guilty but got away with it? I'm really struggling with what to do if this happens x
I really wasn't trying to upset anyone or be judgemental. I'm just confused because when my partner was arrested I asked if he would be charged if no evidence was found on his phone. The police told me that the intelligence they had was reliable enough for them to know it was him but that evidence has to be found to prove it's him. I wanted to know why if intelligence alone isn't enough to charge someone then why am I being told by police/ family that it's enough to end my relationship and ruin my future??
Ok thanks Lee for answering most of the question.
So no-one was arrested in the first place they said they had a report that the ip address had flagged up that someone may have viewed illicit images so all devices were handed over voluntary to be checked and have been ..so basically they didn't know if it was true until they looked at the devices anyway.... Like Lee says if anyone is reported they need evidence to find out if its true that goes for anything not just this sort of thing.
So no-one was arrested in the first place they said they had a report that the ip address had flagged up that someone may have viewed illicit images so all devices were handed over voluntary to be checked and have been ..so basically they didn't know if it was true until they looked at the devices anyway.... Like Lee says if anyone is reported they need evidence to find out if its true that goes for anything not just this sort of thing.
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Losteverything,
There are a few stories on here where people have been arrested due to intelligence and the intelligence has been found to be wrong - one of the most memorable stories is an NHS worker who was investigated, lost her job and spent over a year in limbo before the Police concluded it must've been someone else who triggered the "intelligence".
In my case, the evidence is very questionable and how they've managed to build a case off it is appalling. I wish we could trust that Police get it right but the truth is they don't.
There are a few stories on here where people have been arrested due to intelligence and the intelligence has been found to be wrong - one of the most memorable stories is an NHS worker who was investigated, lost her job and spent over a year in limbo before the Police concluded it must've been someone else who triggered the "intelligence".
In my case, the evidence is very questionable and how they've managed to build a case off it is appalling. I wish we could trust that Police get it right but the truth is they don't.
Thank you for your replies and the information. The police told me that their intelligence linked my partner to a Kik profile where iioc had been uploaded. I would love it all to be a big mistake because I'm utterly heartbroken and will never recover from this.
Losteverything,
I totally understand. Until you get the facts (easier said than done) try not to beat yourself up. Once the forensics come back you will be able to see exactly what it is you're dealing with. There's a case on here at the moment where someone is under investigation for iioc relating to an image of an alleged 15 year old but the person genuinely believed they were 18. There's so many nuances and until you have the evidence you just don't know. I was told my partner viewed iioc but he didn't and there's people who have been arrested for communication but the search has found iioc too. It's a minefield. Look after yourself xx
I totally understand. Until you get the facts (easier said than done) try not to beat yourself up. Once the forensics come back you will be able to see exactly what it is you're dealing with. There's a case on here at the moment where someone is under investigation for iioc relating to an image of an alleged 15 year old but the person genuinely believed they were 18. There's so many nuances and until you have the evidence you just don't know. I was told my partner viewed iioc but he didn't and there's people who have been arrested for communication but the search has found iioc too. It's a minefield. Look after yourself xx
Hi All
Lee and Rick you both are very knowledgable and I was wondering if you can offer some help/advise please?
My partner was arrested 11 weeks ago. Very early morning knock. House filled with police. Everything and every part of the home searched but nothing found. All devices checked by the tech team who'd set up their system in the dining room and returned. Nothing found on any of them but they did take my husbands phone.
Husband was interviewed and is on RUI. During the interview they read out a transcript of a conversation he had had using kik. The initial contact with this "minor" was on Chatiw and then followed by 2nd chat on kik. OH made a sexual comment. No photos requested or exchanged. No further contact with since with any "minors".
Solicitor believes it was either a vigilante or police decoy so maybe as suggested by Lee in a thread, this transcript may have been a screenshot.
Have to admit, the police were really kind. I suffer with panic attacks and the Sargent stayed with me until I was not alone. The arresting officer who also conducted the interview later called to check on me and told me that they'll contact social media companies to get chat logs and if nothing more serious is found then this case may be dropped.
I have read so many conflicting things about retrieving logs from various sites. OH used Wickr, Chatiw and kik. OH only ever used his phone for chatting. Can anyone offer any information on this pls?
Finding it extremely difficult to cope.
Thank you x
Lee and Rick you both are very knowledgable and I was wondering if you can offer some help/advise please?
My partner was arrested 11 weeks ago. Very early morning knock. House filled with police. Everything and every part of the home searched but nothing found. All devices checked by the tech team who'd set up their system in the dining room and returned. Nothing found on any of them but they did take my husbands phone.
Husband was interviewed and is on RUI. During the interview they read out a transcript of a conversation he had had using kik. The initial contact with this "minor" was on Chatiw and then followed by 2nd chat on kik. OH made a sexual comment. No photos requested or exchanged. No further contact with since with any "minors".
Solicitor believes it was either a vigilante or police decoy so maybe as suggested by Lee in a thread, this transcript may have been a screenshot.
Have to admit, the police were really kind. I suffer with panic attacks and the Sargent stayed with me until I was not alone. The arresting officer who also conducted the interview later called to check on me and told me that they'll contact social media companies to get chat logs and if nothing more serious is found then this case may be dropped.
I have read so many conflicting things about retrieving logs from various sites. OH used Wickr, Chatiw and kik. OH only ever used his phone for chatting. Can anyone offer any information on this pls?
Finding it extremely difficult to cope.
Thank you x
Hi RIG22 the best person to answer that is Lee 1969 to be honest as I only realy looked in depth to our case obviously...
I do know that alot are viglanties or police decoys and communication is different from downloading veiwing ect if a decoy has been used they will have some sort of evidence ...now whether that evidence stands up is another matter ....having the grounds to arrest or put people under investigation are totally different than charging someone.
I wish you all the very best and good luck.
I do know that alot are viglanties or police decoys and communication is different from downloading veiwing ect if a decoy has been used they will have some sort of evidence ...now whether that evidence stands up is another matter ....having the grounds to arrest or put people under investigation are totally different than charging someone.
I wish you all the very best and good luck.
Hi Rick. Thank you so much for messaging back. It's very lonely being in this situation and reading all of the experiences here helps.
thank you again.
thank you again.
Hi Lee. Thank you so much. I didn't know where to turn.
He is finally being honest as he now realises he may lose everything. One thing he was adamant about was that he is not attracted to children and that no picture were ever shared or viewed. It was a moment of bad judgement and it hasn't happened since.
I hope for all of our sakes this is true.
Thank you again. X
He is finally being honest as he now realises he may lose everything. One thing he was adamant about was that he is not attracted to children and that no picture were ever shared or viewed. It was a moment of bad judgement and it hasn't happened since.
I hope for all of our sakes this is true.
Thank you again. X
Thank you Lee. You've been a God-send. X
HI Emma258
Don't know if your still on here just wondering if you had heard anything
Don't know if your still on here just wondering if you had heard anything
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Hi Rick
sorry it's been a long time since I've visited the site, my mental health was declining rapidly and needed some time away. However I'm feeling better now! Unfortunately we still haven't heard anything and police have said still waiting for the check. It's only one phone so it's extremely frustrating it's taking so long as life seems to be on hold. It's been 16 months now. Thanks for checking in though Rick. Much appreciated.
sorry it's been a long time since I've visited the site, my mental health was declining rapidly and needed some time away. However I'm feeling better now! Unfortunately we still haven't heard anything and police have said still waiting for the check. It's only one phone so it's extremely frustrating it's taking so long as life seems to be on hold. It's been 16 months now. Thanks for checking in though Rick. Much appreciated.