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Has anyone got any experience with breaching the shpo order please I'm so scared of what will happen now xx
Hi, my OH almost had a breach.. He got a new laptop and took his old one in so that the monitoring software could be put on the new one and taken off the old one. They kept the old one to do that. 2 days later the police turned up and arrested him for breach of the order. They said that because he had run a cleaning app on his phone (which was recorded on his google history) he had beached his order. He was kept overnight and in the morning at magistrates was remanded to prison as his original sentance was 18 mths suspended for 2 years. This was March 22. He stayed in for 6 weeks (total nightmare, but that's a different story), but at his hearing was immediately bailed. The police produced no actual evidence that he had deleted his browsing history (note the order says he can't delete his browser history, nothing about using a cleaning app), and the case was dropped.
As they had also tried to say he was interfering with the monitoring app on his phone (which he wasn't, it was very flaky and kept stopping and had to be restarted over and over), we decided it was too risky to have it so he just uses a dumb phone and we got rid of the smart one. He uses his laptop, and the monitoring software is ok on that.
So my advice is check the SHPO very carefully and avoid anything which could be construed to be a breach even if it isn't. They certainly came down on my OH like a ton of bricks. However it was very soon after sentencing, so I don't know if that was a factor.
Sending hugs, hope everything is ok. Xx
As they had also tried to say he was interfering with the monitoring app on his phone (which he wasn't, it was very flaky and kept stopping and had to be restarted over and over), we decided it was too risky to have it so he just uses a dumb phone and we got rid of the smart one. He uses his laptop, and the monitoring software is ok on that.
So my advice is check the SHPO very carefully and avoid anything which could be construed to be a breach even if it isn't. They certainly came down on my OH like a ton of bricks. However it was very soon after sentencing, so I don't know if that was a factor.
Sending hugs, hope everything is ok. Xx
god that's awfull :( hope your all okay now it's horrible how we are treated.
He went for a meeting they checked his phone they are saying they were never told about his email account and a readit account when they were. So it's his word against there's.
Eveen is he's arrested ect he will loose his job and flat and we're right back to the worries of the world knowing and everything all over again :(
They have sent his phone off . There's nothing on it nothing deleted I don't know what there trying to do . But that's are world broken apart again . Yes we're very seeing after senctaning. It's only been like a month or 2 . He told them every and we thought we can get back to normal xxx
He went for a meeting they checked his phone they are saying they were never told about his email account and a readit account when they were. So it's his word against there's.
Eveen is he's arrested ect he will loose his job and flat and we're right back to the worries of the world knowing and everything all over again :(
They have sent his phone off . There's nothing on it nothing deleted I don't know what there trying to do . But that's are world broken apart again . Yes we're very seeing after senctaning. It's only been like a month or 2 . He told them every and we thought we can get back to normal xxx
This terrifies me and knowing he's on it for life makes it so hard. We've discussed it and he will strip the phone right down so just the very basics and keep things really clean and clear. I have heard the software doesn't work on iPhones? Is that correct?
What worries me that he may have old accounts for things that he won't use now, but they are his... How does he go about deleting the accounts or even remembering them all? What if something he doesn't touch gets hacked or comes back to haunt him? Also what if he has old IT kit that's just handing around - Old laptops and phones, what does he do about this? Will he get told off for disposing of them without making the police aware of them ( they didn't take them on the search - They literally just took one phone).
What worries me that he may have old accounts for things that he won't use now, but they are his... How does he go about deleting the accounts or even remembering them all? What if something he doesn't touch gets hacked or comes back to haunt him? Also what if he has old IT kit that's just handing around - Old laptops and phones, what does he do about this? Will he get told off for disposing of them without making the police aware of them ( they didn't take them on the search - They literally just took one phone).
My partner has been around my cousin (under 16) at a Xmas do with all my family present. I was the only one who knew if his offending, sentence and SOR and SHPO status. He has a condition of no contact with under 16s unless agreed by parents and SS.
I Thought with me supervising it would have been ok. But it wasn't until he mentioned the family gathering to his PO that it was flagged it was a breach. I was mortified because I felt guilty for letting it happen- but it his responsibility overall to know and understand his conditions. He was about two months away from his suspended sentence ending and I thought he was going to go to prison for it.
It was dealt as a case by case issue. The PO and police required my partner to disclose to my aunt and uncle of his sentence and the breach. It wasn't clear how the police were going to handle it. In the end SS were made aware and was agreed that my partner can only be in contact only at family gatherings and no further action taken. It wasn't explained why no further punishment was made, it was major wake up call.
Key lesson is for offenders to fully comprehend their conditions, double check with their PO and police liaison on what the conditions mean in full detail.
I Thought with me supervising it would have been ok. But it wasn't until he mentioned the family gathering to his PO that it was flagged it was a breach. I was mortified because I felt guilty for letting it happen- but it his responsibility overall to know and understand his conditions. He was about two months away from his suspended sentence ending and I thought he was going to go to prison for it.
It was dealt as a case by case issue. The PO and police required my partner to disclose to my aunt and uncle of his sentence and the breach. It wasn't clear how the police were going to handle it. In the end SS were made aware and was agreed that my partner can only be in contact only at family gatherings and no further action taken. It wasn't explained why no further punishment was made, it was major wake up call.
Key lesson is for offenders to fully comprehend their conditions, double check with their PO and police liaison on what the conditions mean in full detail.
I am worried about similar things! What happens to OH’s old accounts, what happens to his old devices that are his but he won’t be using whilst in prison, but I’ll be using such as his PC and his PS5 etc. I will be asking the solicitor these questions soon. It doesn’t seem fair to have to tell family members I am not close to and see once every 5 years of his offence, it seems some people have it where you only have to disclose if you spend over 12 hours in the presence of under 16s?
My advice re computer equipment and phones is to get rid of what is not essential. We have wiped and dumped/sold everything except the new laptop. The police know we have done this. All my equipment (phone, ipad and laptop and even kindle) are all password protected and OH does not know the passwords. That way he only one source to the internet and that is monitored. If you are going to get rid of stuff tho I would suggest you let the police know what you are doing. This has worked very positively for us as his police manager sees this as us being very serious about sticking to the order, and that we are fully engaged with getting things right.
It is a minefield for sure. Xx
It is a minefield for sure. Xx
Hopefully nobody gets horrible visor like us . I think this has stemmed from loosing his phone they just don't believe him . He lost it and rang and told them they think it's dodgy . Said we can track it ect he said please go ahead I have lost it and would like it back . There nothing on it so you can kind it that's fine . He dusnt want to pay for 2 phone contacts ect .
With his breach he knows he has to tell them everything and he's positive her has told her on the first meeting . Later it was eveen mentioned because she hadn't heard of it so he explained what it was.
If we could go back in time we could have wrote it down and got them to sign to say they know or somthing . But he was just doing as they said and never eveen thought that this would become a problem . I don't see why she's doing it and I don't think we will win with his word against hers xxx
With his breach he knows he has to tell them everything and he's positive her has told her on the first meeting . Later it was eveen mentioned because she hadn't heard of it so he explained what it was.
If we could go back in time we could have wrote it down and got them to sign to say they know or somthing . But he was just doing as they said and never eveen thought that this would become a problem . I don't see why she's doing it and I don't think we will win with his word against hers xxx
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Lucy22- after the breach the police at first wanted me to tell all my family members who had children. Other than the cousin I mentioned the others are children of my older cousins who I see about once or twice a year and are not local to me.
This caused me so much stress and tears to the point of hyper ventilating. They basically pushed me to tell my mum too, which I did before looked like I was going to be forced to tell my cousins. In the end the police agreed to not have my cousins told under the condition my partner never goes to family gatherings where my cousins and their children are present. But they told me this after I told my mum. I had hoped to keep it from my mum forever but was taken out of my hands.
I would say that police are likely to require disclosure to family that are in the local area, there is a risk they could turn up at the home or out and about in public- it is something to consider
The notification of being in a home for 12 hours with a child is SOR requirement. A SHPO no contact condition trumps this to a degree. E.g. the parents and SS would need to give permission in this circumstance.
This caused me so much stress and tears to the point of hyper ventilating. They basically pushed me to tell my mum too, which I did before looked like I was going to be forced to tell my cousins. In the end the police agreed to not have my cousins told under the condition my partner never goes to family gatherings where my cousins and their children are present. But they told me this after I told my mum. I had hoped to keep it from my mum forever but was taken out of my hands.
I would say that police are likely to require disclosure to family that are in the local area, there is a risk they could turn up at the home or out and about in public- it is something to consider
The notification of being in a home for 12 hours with a child is SOR requirement. A SHPO no contact condition trumps this to a degree. E.g. the parents and SS would need to give permission in this circumstance.
Hi majestic,
This doesn’t seem fair… All that distress for people you don’t see often! I assume your OH will be allowed to go to family events once the children are over 16? I am not even in touch with my cousins who have kids, I just see them at events arranged by my aunts and uncles. It is like the police deliberately try to make your life harder than it has to be, you shouldn't be forced to tell your whole family by the police! Do you know what the police define as the local area?
This doesn’t seem fair… All that distress for people you don’t see often! I assume your OH will be allowed to go to family events once the children are over 16? I am not even in touch with my cousins who have kids, I just see them at events arranged by my aunts and uncles. It is like the police deliberately try to make your life harder than it has to be, you shouldn't be forced to tell your whole family by the police! Do you know what the police define as the local area?
My intention is to not live near my family, hopefully a couple to hundred miles away. I do think for everyone's mental health we are likely to disclose at some point, until the he'll not attend anything with my family.
Am I likely to have to disclose when we live so far away and they won't visit when he's there and nor will we visit them?
Are social services involved in anyway with the families we disclose to or want to spend time with?
Am I likely to have to disclose when we live so far away and they won't visit when he's there and nor will we visit them?
Are social services involved in anyway with the families we disclose to or want to spend time with?
Lucy 22- I have no idea what they seem local. But my family are in a part of the country that is more than 2 hours away and I don't go to that those towns unless seeing family. No one has queried where my partner is at events, as we are not that close.
SAL- if there is the no contact condition on the SHPO then SS will be involved and need to speak to the parents. The condition says both parents AND SS need to agree contact. The SS wanted to speak to my cousin but my aunt and uncle didn't want that, so I said if it came to it we would keep my partner away from future family events. In. The SS were ok to close the case, I think because we only see each other at large family events.
What was the most frustrating about the whole experience was that at no point did tho PO or Police check my family history to see who had kids etc. They asked for my family tree after the breach was identified, nearly two years after sentencing...
SAL- if there is the no contact condition on the SHPO then SS will be involved and need to speak to the parents. The condition says both parents AND SS need to agree contact. The SS wanted to speak to my cousin but my aunt and uncle didn't want that, so I said if it came to it we would keep my partner away from future family events. In. The SS were ok to close the case, I think because we only see each other at large family events.
What was the most frustrating about the whole experience was that at no point did tho PO or Police check my family history to see who had kids etc. They asked for my family tree after the breach was identified, nearly two years after sentencing...