Caution for IIOC and children
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Is there any one on this forum who's partner or family member has received a caution for IIOC?
The police have stated that my ex partner may be dealt with by them; should what he has stated, mirrors what is found on his device.
I have children with the person in question. I'm not ruling out there being more. I've read through a lot of this forum so I feel like a know a bit more about suspended and custodial sentences: and I am preparing to protect my children and I from that; should my situation take that avenue. I haven't seen anything for a person who has been cautioned with children...
I've heard from others, the importance of completing courses for me and for him.
Does anyone know what extent social services will be involved should it end in caution? How much of a role would they play? Would my children be placed on a child protection plan if we both completed courses, I produced a family plan and there were no unsupervised access?
Also, what role would my eldest son's school have? I have made them aware and have said, I will keep them up to date. Will I have to have meetings with their lead safeguarding person or anything?
I've made it clear to my person, should there be a high amount of videos watched or downloaded, he won't have access to the children. He also won't have access to the children if he doesn't start taking responsibility for his actions and focus on learning / understanding his behaviours to break this cycle.
I have told him if he can demonstrate he has changed and puts in maximum effort, I will also put in maximum effort and complete whatever I need to, in order for him to see the children.
Best Wishes
Is there any one on this forum who's partner or family member has received a caution for IIOC?
The police have stated that my ex partner may be dealt with by them; should what he has stated, mirrors what is found on his device.
I have children with the person in question. I'm not ruling out there being more. I've read through a lot of this forum so I feel like a know a bit more about suspended and custodial sentences: and I am preparing to protect my children and I from that; should my situation take that avenue. I haven't seen anything for a person who has been cautioned with children...
I've heard from others, the importance of completing courses for me and for him.
Does anyone know what extent social services will be involved should it end in caution? How much of a role would they play? Would my children be placed on a child protection plan if we both completed courses, I produced a family plan and there were no unsupervised access?
Also, what role would my eldest son's school have? I have made them aware and have said, I will keep them up to date. Will I have to have meetings with their lead safeguarding person or anything?
I've made it clear to my person, should there be a high amount of videos watched or downloaded, he won't have access to the children. He also won't have access to the children if he doesn't start taking responsibility for his actions and focus on learning / understanding his behaviours to break this cycle.
I have told him if he can demonstrate he has changed and puts in maximum effort, I will also put in maximum effort and complete whatever I need to, in order for him to see the children.
Best Wishes
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OK, thank you for your response.
Do all cases get resolved in court then?
Do all cases get resolved in court then?
I agree with daffodil they aren't to be trusted they told my oh he would just be cautioned and he ended up in crown court I think they do it so you think their helpful so you open up and tell them stuff they can't find
Ah OK, I understand that.
My ex didn't have a solicitor in the first interview but has one now.
He's admitted guilt and has told them everything which is 1 distributed image Cat B. And 1 cat C image. He says he was sent a video which he did not watch. He also says he watched a video of a person having sex with a dog.
I know he's been emailing his solicitor to see where he potentially stands but hasn't heard back. He seems too apprehensive to phone them by the seems of it.
Will this go against him? For telling them what he's seen?
The distributed image was reported by Snapchat. He was participating on an adult chat forum.
My ex didn't have a solicitor in the first interview but has one now.
He's admitted guilt and has told them everything which is 1 distributed image Cat B. And 1 cat C image. He says he was sent a video which he did not watch. He also says he watched a video of a person having sex with a dog.
I know he's been emailing his solicitor to see where he potentially stands but hasn't heard back. He seems too apprehensive to phone them by the seems of it.
Will this go against him? For telling them what he's seen?
The distributed image was reported by Snapchat. He was participating on an adult chat forum.
My oh said way more than he should of because the duty solicitor didn't have a clue on this subject and basically told him too. I read it back not long before sentencing and actually said to him he had said to much he got the knock for distributing but nothing was found he had making(downloading) cat a b and c around 350 image's in total he got suspended
@Denzel7, sexual activity with an animal counts as Category A. I definitely don't think they will caution for Cat A images, even if it is just one. I read stories of people being taken to court for only Cat C images.
I am sorry for the bads news - I am exactly in the same situation with my husband.
I could imagine (but this is just an educated guess, I have no legal training) that they would caution if they found absolutely no evidence on your ex's devices, but would still caution him as he has admitted to the crime. But it might be completely wrong what I am telling you, so it is best to speak to a solicitor.
I am sorry for the bads news - I am exactly in the same situation with my husband.
I could imagine (but this is just an educated guess, I have no legal training) that they would caution if they found absolutely no evidence on your ex's devices, but would still caution him as he has admitted to the crime. But it might be completely wrong what I am telling you, so it is best to speak to a solicitor.
The distributed image was of a child just under 10 and the cat c image was of a 3-6 year old.
I panicked and just said to SS no contact. They wrote in their report they were worried that the children may be victims of the images. Yet, they never said that to me.
I feel a bit like a blind mouse. I discovered this group not that long a go. I wish I found it sooner. I just used to get really paranoid at what I was writing in Google, thinking that something bad might come up and then I would have someone at the door. A knock at the door still scares me. I don't think rationally at times.
I understand the police cannot be trusted and I get they are doing their jobs and want to be handed evidence rather than working for it.
It's so hard to know what the right thing to do is. I'm lying and avoiding people. It's been 7 months. I'm now telling people we've broken up as there was only so long I could say he was working away. My eldest who has just turned 4 just thinks he's working away. We not long had a baby and got engaged so people think it's really odd weve just broke up. Everything is up in the air. I've been secretly praying for a caution but by the seems of what you both have said; it sounds like I'm trying to individually pick up glitter.
I panicked and just said to SS no contact. They wrote in their report they were worried that the children may be victims of the images. Yet, they never said that to me.
I feel a bit like a blind mouse. I discovered this group not that long a go. I wish I found it sooner. I just used to get really paranoid at what I was writing in Google, thinking that something bad might come up and then I would have someone at the door. A knock at the door still scares me. I don't think rationally at times.
I understand the police cannot be trusted and I get they are doing their jobs and want to be handed evidence rather than working for it.
It's so hard to know what the right thing to do is. I'm lying and avoiding people. It's been 7 months. I'm now telling people we've broken up as there was only so long I could say he was working away. My eldest who has just turned 4 just thinks he's working away. We not long had a baby and got engaged so people think it's really odd weve just broke up. Everything is up in the air. I've been secretly praying for a caution but by the seems of what you both have said; it sounds like I'm trying to individually pick up glitter.
@hpl111 thank you for the insight. He said he emailed his solicitor a few weeks a go and had no response. I don't think he wants to call to ask although he needs to. He only sorted out legal aid approximately 4 weeks a go. He hasn't looked into anything with regards to what may potentially happen. He's just sat in it. I don't know whether that's just because he's scared or if it's because there is more...
I'm really sorry it is better to be prepared though I also have a 2 and 4 year old it's so hard making out daddy is at work day and night we we're lucky that I was allowed to supervise so he still see's ours daily. Has he done any work on himself the help line courses or anything
@scaredandconfused
The offending happened during the time I was pregnant with our planned child. It was his idea not to have sex as I had a bad pregnancy. This according to him and pressure from work and drinking heavily once I was in bed is why he accessed adult chat rooms.
My newly 4 year old barely asks where he is any more. And has only been upset once since the knock. When I look back, he didn't help me with anything. And he barely engaged with the eldest as he used to say he was too tired from work. I've always been the one to engage, be the fun one, take him places etc etc. I'm back at work now but I've had to tell my boss because I cannot work as much or do certain shifts any more.
My ex has stopped drinking, started therapy but didnt commit so is now back on the waiting list. You see, this is my problem. He says he's sorry and wants to make it right but doesn't do anything productive about it. I've told him about the courses, about AA meetings, porn addiction meetings and so forth. He says he'll look into it but nothing really materialises. I told him about Stop It now! He said he's emailed. He won't call, there seems to be not a lot of anything and just excuses or he'll do it on such an such a day. This is my problem. It's why I've stopped all involvement for now. It just seems like there's red flags everywhere. It's harder to see when you're in it though. He comes across as so calm, caring and genuine. But it's also came to light that he's cheated in previous relationships although he has always said he's never cheated and he also took out loans which I was never aware of either. He had so many social media accounts and quite a few porn site accounts which I never knew was a thing.
I just want to prepare myself as best as I can so I thank you all for clarifying that a caution is slim. I've been trying to hold on to that which isn't healthy. I understand why when I've browsed through the subjects in the forum that I haven't seen much or anything about cautions now.
The offending happened during the time I was pregnant with our planned child. It was his idea not to have sex as I had a bad pregnancy. This according to him and pressure from work and drinking heavily once I was in bed is why he accessed adult chat rooms.
My newly 4 year old barely asks where he is any more. And has only been upset once since the knock. When I look back, he didn't help me with anything. And he barely engaged with the eldest as he used to say he was too tired from work. I've always been the one to engage, be the fun one, take him places etc etc. I'm back at work now but I've had to tell my boss because I cannot work as much or do certain shifts any more.
My ex has stopped drinking, started therapy but didnt commit so is now back on the waiting list. You see, this is my problem. He says he's sorry and wants to make it right but doesn't do anything productive about it. I've told him about the courses, about AA meetings, porn addiction meetings and so forth. He says he'll look into it but nothing really materialises. I told him about Stop It now! He said he's emailed. He won't call, there seems to be not a lot of anything and just excuses or he'll do it on such an such a day. This is my problem. It's why I've stopped all involvement for now. It just seems like there's red flags everywhere. It's harder to see when you're in it though. He comes across as so calm, caring and genuine. But it's also came to light that he's cheated in previous relationships although he has always said he's never cheated and he also took out loans which I was never aware of either. He had so many social media accounts and quite a few porn site accounts which I never knew was a thing.
I just want to prepare myself as best as I can so I thank you all for clarifying that a caution is slim. I've been trying to hold on to that which isn't healthy. I understand why when I've browsed through the subjects in the forum that I haven't seen much or anything about cautions now.
Sounds like the exact same story he got reported on a adult chat site. mine also he has had a porn addiction I knew nothing about and we've been together 10 years married 5 this was all happening whilst I was pregnant both times before and after children were born. I have stuck by him I must be mad but I can actually see he never really saw it as what it was to him it was just a picture and apart from me making sure he rung the help line he did the modules tried therapy his about to finish the inform plus course and then starting auora project that he his been on waiting list for since last year. I wouldn't of stuck around if he hadn't of done anything. Have you been asked to do at courses from social services I got put on a ten week course it helped a lot
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@scaredandconfused
I told social services I will wait until the device is back from forensic testing before I decide on what will happen with our relationship and his relationship with the children. They attended my property around 3 weeks after the knock, completed an assessment on me and the kids - came earlier than expected so briefly saw my eldest wh8lst my mum was picking him up. I told them he is no longer at the family home, I took the house key from him and have removed him as an emergency contact. I did say as I was clueless at the time and did not know of any support forums; that it is not the actions of the person I knew and hoped the distribution was a mistake. Obviously, knowing now, that comment would of been seen as minimising but I stopped him from seeing the kids off my own accord so I don't feel bad for stating what I felt at the time. I was only 9 weeks postpartum.
The only thing that does baffle me is why they would put in their CIN closure report that their are concerns as to whether the children would be victims of the images. No one has ever mentioned the children to me. I obviously asked my partner but he said there will be nothing with reference to our children.
He's messaged me to say Stop It Now will be calling him on Friday so we shall see how that goes. I contact him for updates but that's it for now.
In my head, I've always hoped it goes to caution, only those who need to know will know and there could eventually be some form of almost/near normality. But I always go with my head and make decisions based on fact and not emotion. I know my actions are the right choices for my situation. I have just been so clueless about processes.
I do not have anyone involved with us in terms of services. They all backed off when I stated there is no contact.
@Daffodil
Thank you for providing clarity to the process. I am sorry you have experience in knowing what the charges could possibly be. I understand better now. I am glad I posted the question.
I told social services I will wait until the device is back from forensic testing before I decide on what will happen with our relationship and his relationship with the children. They attended my property around 3 weeks after the knock, completed an assessment on me and the kids - came earlier than expected so briefly saw my eldest wh8lst my mum was picking him up. I told them he is no longer at the family home, I took the house key from him and have removed him as an emergency contact. I did say as I was clueless at the time and did not know of any support forums; that it is not the actions of the person I knew and hoped the distribution was a mistake. Obviously, knowing now, that comment would of been seen as minimising but I stopped him from seeing the kids off my own accord so I don't feel bad for stating what I felt at the time. I was only 9 weeks postpartum.
The only thing that does baffle me is why they would put in their CIN closure report that their are concerns as to whether the children would be victims of the images. No one has ever mentioned the children to me. I obviously asked my partner but he said there will be nothing with reference to our children.
He's messaged me to say Stop It Now will be calling him on Friday so we shall see how that goes. I contact him for updates but that's it for now.
In my head, I've always hoped it goes to caution, only those who need to know will know and there could eventually be some form of almost/near normality. But I always go with my head and make decisions based on fact and not emotion. I know my actions are the right choices for my situation. I have just been so clueless about processes.
I do not have anyone involved with us in terms of services. They all backed off when I stated there is no contact.
@Daffodil
Thank you for providing clarity to the process. I am sorry you have experience in knowing what the charges could possibly be. I understand better now. I am glad I posted the question.
It sounds like you did the best thing. I wouldn't worry too much about what you said at the start. If you have any spare time try do a safeguarding course you can do free ones online just incase they come back at any point also your little one is same age as mine PANTS on nspcc gave me a lot of help explaining things and was praised by social the nursery and health visitor
I've seen the pants, someone else recommended that one. With reference to the safeguarding courses. Is there one you would recommend or a specific level? I have seen you can pay for L1-3 safeguarding and child protection courses online. Is there a specific one which covers most subjects and is best known to SS and HV?
My eldest has diagnosed and a few undiagnosed health conditions so balancing that, being single, having a baby, working and weekly therapy for anxiety due to this is a bit of a balancing act. Let alone trying to deal with all the emotions which come with it and not socialise with adults in fear of it all coming out and me being classified as an association. You know how it feels. Sadly.
With reference to the course, I don't want to sound bad but I don't want to waste my time incase there's more and I stop contact indefinitely and / or I don't want to commit to doing it if he makes no concrete attempts to see absolutely nothing through. He's been given resources from SAAUK, sent an email to Stopso, says he will contact his solicitor and has the StopitNow forum calling him on Friday. He just needs to be consistent and forward it through.
I want to almost just leave him to it without me feeling like I'm prompting him if that makes sense. It all has to come from him first. He always to me know, just seems to say things and nothing really materialises; unless I check up on him and any progress he has made. Which I don't want to be doing. He needs to be willing to do it.
My eldest has diagnosed and a few undiagnosed health conditions so balancing that, being single, having a baby, working and weekly therapy for anxiety due to this is a bit of a balancing act. Let alone trying to deal with all the emotions which come with it and not socialise with adults in fear of it all coming out and me being classified as an association. You know how it feels. Sadly.
With reference to the course, I don't want to sound bad but I don't want to waste my time incase there's more and I stop contact indefinitely and / or I don't want to commit to doing it if he makes no concrete attempts to see absolutely nothing through. He's been given resources from SAAUK, sent an email to Stopso, says he will contact his solicitor and has the StopitNow forum calling him on Friday. He just needs to be consistent and forward it through.
I want to almost just leave him to it without me feeling like I'm prompting him if that makes sense. It all has to come from him first. He always to me know, just seems to say things and nothing really materialises; unless I check up on him and any progress he has made. Which I don't want to be doing. He needs to be willing to do it.
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Unfortunately I did mine through social services and a family worker. The inform course is meant to be good it's a 5 week program I think the lady said it's free now too. You just have to ring the helpline to put your name down. I was going to do it but because of the one I did it looks like it covers the same thing.
Daffodil,
Thank you, that makes sense. The classification of IIOC, I guess a photo of your child on your phone will also pose as and indecent image. For example, when my eldest was approximately 2, I took a photo of him in his new paddling pool and sent it to the person in question. Obviously this was before the offence took place. The person also in question, when we were on holiday took a short video of our son when he was 1 years old pretending to drive my car whilst I was getting him changed from being at the beach. These will still be in family albums on his phone. As they are on mine too. Will this be classified as an offence and counted as a charge because he's under investigation? Or does that just depend. When I was growing up, we all had an embarrassing photo which was saved to make fun of us when we were 18... I guess even innocently you can't do these things any more. I know with my youngest, I don't even have a photo of him in the bath. I see most things in a different light now.
Sacredandconfused
Thank you, I will contact the helpline to get enrolled on the course if he is consistent in making positive steps. Then, I will look at a safeguarding and child protection qualification so I am educated in this too. If it works out OK in the end then I will ensure I have completed the above and a safety plan before I communicate my intentions with SS. If they get in contact sooner then I will keep the case closed until I've completed everything and I am fully competent. But if it hits the press, then I'm out. It's the comforting about no involvement. People are used to not seeing him around now so should it come out, hopefully me and the kids can still live a relatively normal life and not be made in association to this.
Thank you, that makes sense. The classification of IIOC, I guess a photo of your child on your phone will also pose as and indecent image. For example, when my eldest was approximately 2, I took a photo of him in his new paddling pool and sent it to the person in question. Obviously this was before the offence took place. The person also in question, when we were on holiday took a short video of our son when he was 1 years old pretending to drive my car whilst I was getting him changed from being at the beach. These will still be in family albums on his phone. As they are on mine too. Will this be classified as an offence and counted as a charge because he's under investigation? Or does that just depend. When I was growing up, we all had an embarrassing photo which was saved to make fun of us when we were 18... I guess even innocently you can't do these things any more. I know with my youngest, I don't even have a photo of him in the bath. I see most things in a different light now.
Sacredandconfused
Thank you, I will contact the helpline to get enrolled on the course if he is consistent in making positive steps. Then, I will look at a safeguarding and child protection qualification so I am educated in this too. If it works out OK in the end then I will ensure I have completed the above and a safety plan before I communicate my intentions with SS. If they get in contact sooner then I will keep the case closed until I've completed everything and I am fully competent. But if it hits the press, then I'm out. It's the comforting about no involvement. People are used to not seeing him around now so should it come out, hopefully me and the kids can still live a relatively normal life and not be made in association to this.
In regards to having pics of your own children these should not be flagged as iioc. Iiocs are sexual in nature, are sexually suggestive. Maybe families take pics of their kids in the bath, on the beach etc and it isn't for sinister reasons. The concerns are raised due to the history of offenders activities but also if offenders share the images with total strangers - family and friends should be fine.
Also not all offenders who do have attraction to children will be attracted to their own children, but is always a concern to SS. An assessment needs to be done to establish the risk to own children, and children in public.
I think I have only read of one caution on this forum, there have been a handful of no further action (NFA- that is when there isn't enough evidence to set charges). Cautions I think may only occur if it is a single event and the subject of the iioc could be argued look over the gr of 18 and the 'offender' had no reason to think was under 18 - basically a huge warning they should have been more careful with their viewing. But as I have said, cautions are very rare.
I understand your frustration in wanting to see your person do the rehabilitation. I stuck by my partner because he did pursue the courses, he was consistent and didn't need my prompting. As a heads up, the courts and SS will likely see attending courses by your person as just means to reduce his sentence. Damned if he does, damned if he doesn't. But the course was an eye opener to my partner and snapped him back into reality, so it was worth it. But if your person has the mindset to attend to look good, then the course won't really work- needs to go in with an open mind. I believe those who sign up to the inform plus course are interviewed first to see which setting would be best, and whether it is worth the offender attending
Also not all offenders who do have attraction to children will be attracted to their own children, but is always a concern to SS. An assessment needs to be done to establish the risk to own children, and children in public.
I think I have only read of one caution on this forum, there have been a handful of no further action (NFA- that is when there isn't enough evidence to set charges). Cautions I think may only occur if it is a single event and the subject of the iioc could be argued look over the gr of 18 and the 'offender' had no reason to think was under 18 - basically a huge warning they should have been more careful with their viewing. But as I have said, cautions are very rare.
I understand your frustration in wanting to see your person do the rehabilitation. I stuck by my partner because he did pursue the courses, he was consistent and didn't need my prompting. As a heads up, the courts and SS will likely see attending courses by your person as just means to reduce his sentence. Damned if he does, damned if he doesn't. But the course was an eye opener to my partner and snapped him back into reality, so it was worth it. But if your person has the mindset to attend to look good, then the course won't really work- needs to go in with an open mind. I believe those who sign up to the inform plus course are interviewed first to see which setting would be best, and whether it is worth the offender attending
Hi Denzel7
My OH was questioned about some completely innocent photos an videos he had on his phone of our children on a family holiday, to any normal person they showed our children having fun and living their best life, but the OIC saw sexual images of children, this actually makes me feel sick. He rang me and asked me personally about the pictures an I confirmed that they were completely innocent, so the OIC removed them from the investigation, the police will stop at nothing to try an make charges, they will use anything they can and try and twist it to suit their agenda.
My OH was questioned about some completely innocent photos an videos he had on his phone of our children on a family holiday, to any normal person they showed our children having fun and living their best life, but the OIC saw sexual images of children, this actually makes me feel sick. He rang me and asked me personally about the pictures an I confirmed that they were completely innocent, so the OIC removed them from the investigation, the police will stop at nothing to try an make charges, they will use anything they can and try and twist it to suit their agenda.
Thank you to all of you for taking the time to respond. I really do appreciate it.
He's saying legal aid through his solicitor only covers an interview at a police station and court. They do not offer any advice on possible charges etc. That does not sound right to me. The conversation came about because I've been asking what the potential charges may be.
Also, what is your advice on friends and family. As it stands only my parents and his parents know. I had to make my parents aware so they could look after the children for me whilst I work. They are supportive of the children and I but not him. I've also told one of my friends who works with children. He is supportive of me but not him. I have another close friend but I've just said we've broke up because he was engaging with men and women on adult chat sites when I was pregnant. She too is supportive of me but no longer likes him. Do I need to tell more friends and family incase this does end up in the press? I wouldn't tell any one who I think may gossip but I just wondered if any one can offer any advice? Or am I best to keep it as it is until the charges have been made?
He's saying legal aid through his solicitor only covers an interview at a police station and court. They do not offer any advice on possible charges etc. That does not sound right to me. The conversation came about because I've been asking what the potential charges may be.
Also, what is your advice on friends and family. As it stands only my parents and his parents know. I had to make my parents aware so they could look after the children for me whilst I work. They are supportive of the children and I but not him. I've also told one of my friends who works with children. He is supportive of me but not him. I have another close friend but I've just said we've broke up because he was engaging with men and women on adult chat sites when I was pregnant. She too is supportive of me but no longer likes him. Do I need to tell more friends and family incase this does end up in the press? I wouldn't tell any one who I think may gossip but I just wondered if any one can offer any advice? Or am I best to keep it as it is until the charges have been made?
My kids dad is awaiting sentencing at crown court for attempts sexual communication (was a police decoy) - since the initial charges I have discovered more about his behaviour in terms of infidelity etc
SS are very concerned as my kids are 7 and 10 and the "age" of the decoy was 13. Kids currently have once a week phone call on speakerphone which I supervise (he's remanded in custody so the call is also recorded by the prison). They've said no contact after sentencing until they've done assessments.
I was initially in denial I think and was feeling I needed to do courses etc as a bit of a tick box exercise but now I know more about what he was doing in our marriage , and have got full disclosure of the detail of the charges, I very much want to work with social services as can see the reason for their concern.
The kids want a relationship with their dad and I will do everything g to support it happening safely but Ive also been clear with him that I'll be fully cooperating with SS.
look on the parents protect website for information and templates for Family Safety plans, it really helped me consider risks and also it's worth speaking to the stop it helpline yourself as they have been so helpful to me
take care x
SS are very concerned as my kids are 7 and 10 and the "age" of the decoy was 13. Kids currently have once a week phone call on speakerphone which I supervise (he's remanded in custody so the call is also recorded by the prison). They've said no contact after sentencing until they've done assessments.
I was initially in denial I think and was feeling I needed to do courses etc as a bit of a tick box exercise but now I know more about what he was doing in our marriage , and have got full disclosure of the detail of the charges, I very much want to work with social services as can see the reason for their concern.
The kids want a relationship with their dad and I will do everything g to support it happening safely but Ive also been clear with him that I'll be fully cooperating with SS.
look on the parents protect website for information and templates for Family Safety plans, it really helped me consider risks and also it's worth speaking to the stop it helpline yourself as they have been so helpful to me
take care x
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Hi Denzel,
The course I was on about on a previous post was the level 2 safeguard and prevent training through Maximise. Apparently this is a really good one and is free if completed within the timeframe or it's £125 if not. I believe it's a 9 week timeframe xxx
The course I was on about on a previous post was the level 2 safeguard and prevent training through Maximise. Apparently this is a really good one and is free if completed within the timeframe or it's £125 if not. I believe it's a 9 week timeframe xxx
Thank you so much distressed and pregnant. I will definitely have a look at that one after the new year xxx
And thank you both for your comments. I will also work with with SS as apose to against. And Help Me, thank you for your sound advice. I will definitely keep it as it is with reference to who knows and I really like your comment about taking everyone with a pinch of salt unless I've seen concrete evidence. I will be sure to do that going forward so thank you for that comment. And for the insight in CPS and chargers and legal aid.
Thank you all for commenting. I really value your advice, insight and hearing your own experiences x
And thank you both for your comments. I will also work with with SS as apose to against. And Help Me, thank you for your sound advice. I will definitely keep it as it is with reference to who knows and I really like your comment about taking everyone with a pinch of salt unless I've seen concrete evidence. I will be sure to do that going forward so thank you for that comment. And for the insight in CPS and chargers and legal aid.
Thank you all for commenting. I really value your advice, insight and hearing your own experiences x