Kik/Knock Survivors Club
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Massive question for me is why Kik is still allowed to operate and host this material/activity? As far as I'm aware, all the material that was available on Kik yesterday is still available today, and will be tomorrow, with no alerts/warning/reporting function. There seems to be no effort to cut off supply. I don't understand how that's OK. Perhaps a 'Kik/Knock survivors club' would be helpful... Would it be possible to start that as a chatgroup on Kik?!
@InTatters My husband had the knock on July 5th last year. He's accused of making/distributing indecent images on KIK and has since been released under investigation.
I don't understand why kik is still around. It is so easy for someone to click on a link and accidently download indecent images.
Not excusing what our husbands/partners did, it is definitely a crime.
But on KIK someone that is normally not interested in indecent images can get exposed to it for the first time.
I don't understand why kik is still around. It is so easy for someone to click on a link and accidently download indecent images.
Not excusing what our husbands/partners did, it is definitely a crime.
But on KIK someone that is normally not interested in indecent images can get exposed to it for the first time.
My suspicion is that the police actually find KIK quite helpful to arrest as many people as possible.
Kik has certainly ruined my life and ended my relationship with the love of my life. I can't help wondering though that these men put themselves into situations where these images are available. If they weren't on there would they look for more dodgy adult porn elsewhere and then still be exposed to the risk of unwanted or in some cases wanted iioc.
The police told me that people join groups on kik where they know this stuff is available. They then have to request images and only receive more if they send images on to others. All very sickening.
My relationship was over the minute I found out he'd accessed and distributed images whether it was originally accidental or not. He shouldn't have put himself in that position and I don't accept that it's ok to be having sexual chats on this site with women of any age.
sorry for the rant x
The police told me that people join groups on kik where they know this stuff is available. They then have to request images and only receive more if they send images on to others. All very sickening.
My relationship was over the minute I found out he'd accessed and distributed images whether it was originally accidental or not. He shouldn't have put himself in that position and I don't accept that it's ok to be having sexual chats on this site with women of any age.
sorry for the rant x
@Losteverything
Everyone's situation is different and it is completely acceptable to leave your husband and end the relationship. It's also okay to stay.
I certainly believe that there are people who join groups on KIK messenger specifically to access indecent images.
But there are also porn groups/groups in general that don't focus on that sort of stuff.
In some of these groups anyone around the world can post stuff and links. And sometimes indecent images are posted.
I do believe that this is how some men get themselves into trouble.
The police would never mention this possibility as they want to portray everyone as the worst kind of perpetrator.
My husband originally downloaded KIK messenger years ago, because at the time you could make free phone calls on the app and he used that to make calls to family abroad.
Everyone's situation is different and it is completely acceptable to leave your husband and end the relationship. It's also okay to stay.
I certainly believe that there are people who join groups on KIK messenger specifically to access indecent images.
But there are also porn groups/groups in general that don't focus on that sort of stuff.
In some of these groups anyone around the world can post stuff and links. And sometimes indecent images are posted.
I do believe that this is how some men get themselves into trouble.
The police would never mention this possibility as they want to portray everyone as the worst kind of perpetrator.
My husband originally downloaded KIK messenger years ago, because at the time you could make free phone calls on the app and he used that to make calls to family abroad.
KIK is very anonymous. From what I recall no number or email address is needed. This is part of the problem with so much on the internet.
I came across KIK when I use to swing, after a short period of time it became clear the men that used it had more to hide than perhaps a desire to swing (mostly married) or conversation were aggressive or extreme very quickly. I didn't stay on it long as everything about it felt unsafe and not what I was looking for - This was quite a few years ago and I can only imagine how rapidly things have progressed. I did very briefly download it more recently and could see which of my contacts also had it - I immediately became suspicious of them (thinking they must be having an affair or similar), I didnt know it was used so prolifically for iioc.
I really do think more controls, something like a digital passport is needed to protect children and adults. Whilst adults are responsible for their actions, in society we abide by many rules, structure and restrictions that are imposed on us for the benefit of society - Think about guns, a license is needed in this country and gun crime is relatively low compared to countries licenses are not required.
I wish there were more campaigns and press attention given to the dangers of the Internet for adults and the consequences. There are about things such as scams and phishing.
I do think there is an element of not believing anything illegal is so easily available, so when it is, its quite hard to believe its either illegal or that people are actually prosecuted for these crimes.
I came across KIK when I use to swing, after a short period of time it became clear the men that used it had more to hide than perhaps a desire to swing (mostly married) or conversation were aggressive or extreme very quickly. I didn't stay on it long as everything about it felt unsafe and not what I was looking for - This was quite a few years ago and I can only imagine how rapidly things have progressed. I did very briefly download it more recently and could see which of my contacts also had it - I immediately became suspicious of them (thinking they must be having an affair or similar), I didnt know it was used so prolifically for iioc.
I really do think more controls, something like a digital passport is needed to protect children and adults. Whilst adults are responsible for their actions, in society we abide by many rules, structure and restrictions that are imposed on us for the benefit of society - Think about guns, a license is needed in this country and gun crime is relatively low compared to countries licenses are not required.
I wish there were more campaigns and press attention given to the dangers of the Internet for adults and the consequences. There are about things such as scams and phishing.
I do think there is an element of not believing anything illegal is so easily available, so when it is, its quite hard to believe its either illegal or that people are actually prosecuted for these crimes.
I like the idea of a Kik/knock survivors club but cannot go anywhere near the platform myself as it's ruined so much for me so it's a yes from me but not on that platform!
I have used Kik and it was my partner who introduced me. In hindsight I should have told him to get off it as I didn't know at the time how seedy it can be...
He was under investigation and ofc when under investigation there is nothing to stop him being on such apps, I think if someone is under investigation they should be banned from chat forums etc until investigation is closed.
Through Kik I did meet like minded people to me, but people did post some dodgy (thankfully legal but morally questionable) GIFs and images etc. The groups I was in to be verified had to send a video saying a phrase to help check over 18 entry. Anyone who looked under 21 needed to show ID, but the group were not trained to spot fakes ...
Once my partner was sentenced the police said he wasn't banned as such from the app, but by being part of it put his risk up. So he removed it and hasn't been back since. However the fact he was part of Kik is flagged up as part of his history (despite the fact no iioc offending was ever found on Kik, it was through other means).
A few years ago the app was meant to be shut down, due to the owners no longer wanting to operate, I think. So I left the app. But I believe it got bought and is still going.
I agree it is a dodgy place, it was a good place for me to chat to others into kink. But online places for kink canead to illegal content, not to say everyone into kink and BDSM will go for iioc- bit there does seem to be a higher risk of exposure. This was mentioned by the SW who has some concern that my partner and I have friends into kink.
We both are not on apps or sites that are not well regulated. Maybe one day Kik will be removed, bit for now it does seem to be a hot bed for iioc and decoy's (I would be surprised children use the app, it isn't really that known amongst young people).
He was under investigation and ofc when under investigation there is nothing to stop him being on such apps, I think if someone is under investigation they should be banned from chat forums etc until investigation is closed.
Through Kik I did meet like minded people to me, but people did post some dodgy (thankfully legal but morally questionable) GIFs and images etc. The groups I was in to be verified had to send a video saying a phrase to help check over 18 entry. Anyone who looked under 21 needed to show ID, but the group were not trained to spot fakes ...
Once my partner was sentenced the police said he wasn't banned as such from the app, but by being part of it put his risk up. So he removed it and hasn't been back since. However the fact he was part of Kik is flagged up as part of his history (despite the fact no iioc offending was ever found on Kik, it was through other means).
A few years ago the app was meant to be shut down, due to the owners no longer wanting to operate, I think. So I left the app. But I believe it got bought and is still going.
I agree it is a dodgy place, it was a good place for me to chat to others into kink. But online places for kink canead to illegal content, not to say everyone into kink and BDSM will go for iioc- bit there does seem to be a higher risk of exposure. This was mentioned by the SW who has some concern that my partner and I have friends into kink.
We both are not on apps or sites that are not well regulated. Maybe one day Kik will be removed, bit for now it does seem to be a hot bed for iioc and decoy's (I would be surprised children use the app, it isn't really that known amongst young people).
Yes we were/are affected by this horrendous app called KIK but shutting it down won't make any difference. Another similar one will pop up soon enough.
There should be more stringent checks but it's not all down to the app. Some may have downloaded the images by accident but I think the majority knew what they were doing and crossed that boundary knowingly albeit in the heat of the moment or addiction.
It sounds harsh but our loved ones who accessed this site knew it was wrong hence the no number/ID/email. They knew and it was part of their secret life and this is where their actions/decision have lead us all and here we are today discussing this.
Apologies in advance if I've hurt anyone's feels by saying this but no one twisted their arm. My OH and many who are now affected by this issue knew that by just being there was wrong and would cause immense amounts of upset to their loved ones so how can anyone solely blame the app or the police now for doing their job. It shouldn't have happened in the first place.
Having said that, I do believe and agree our "adults" need some educating around the risks of being on such platforms and the pain and potential heartache caused.
There should be more stringent checks but it's not all down to the app. Some may have downloaded the images by accident but I think the majority knew what they were doing and crossed that boundary knowingly albeit in the heat of the moment or addiction.
It sounds harsh but our loved ones who accessed this site knew it was wrong hence the no number/ID/email. They knew and it was part of their secret life and this is where their actions/decision have lead us all and here we are today discussing this.
Apologies in advance if I've hurt anyone's feels by saying this but no one twisted their arm. My OH and many who are now affected by this issue knew that by just being there was wrong and would cause immense amounts of upset to their loved ones so how can anyone solely blame the app or the police now for doing their job. It shouldn't have happened in the first place.
Having said that, I do believe and agree our "adults" need some educating around the risks of being on such platforms and the pain and potential heartache caused.
I have never used KIK messenger, but my husband had an email address linked to his account. I know that because one of the police officers read the email address out to me. So it is actually not that anonymous.
I am not blaming the police for doing their job or minimising what my husband has done.
I am just saying that the police can't be 100 % trusted either and they will put their own spin on things.
There's the version the police is telling us and then there is the version the offender is telling us. The truth probably lies somewhere in the middle.
I am not blaming the police for doing their job or minimising what my husband has done.
I am just saying that the police can't be 100 % trusted either and they will put their own spin on things.
There's the version the police is telling us and then there is the version the offender is telling us. The truth probably lies somewhere in the middle.
I went on it the other day after someone asked some questions about the functionality of it and I was extremely shocked at what I saw. I'd heard about groups and obviously I am completely terrified of ever coming across anything heinous after the notoriety of the app so I searched for "food" in the groups section. I thought I would find groups for food lovers. How naïve. There were a couple of groups which looked as though they may be for actual discussion about food - but who really knows. The rest of them were rude pictures as the group photo (adults for sure) and all had 18+ in the name along with suggestive emojis and words which defo weren't relating to food! My main concern is that the age for Kik is 13 and anyone can search what I searched a request to join those groups or look at the photos - why on Earth does the app not stop people from publicly using rude pictures?! If I uploaded a picture of my breasts as my TikTok or Instagram profile picture I would be banned almost immediately so why is that allowed on Kik where it's so easy to message people and nothing is filtered? It appears as though it is a complete cesspool and if there are so many cases concerning Kik then why has this not been taken above and the app banned for use in the UK? Surely they have the powers to do that if they wanted to. This is where research is required and freedom of information is needed to ascertain exactly how much damage this app is doing.
*moderator, I know we're told not to look into things ourselves but I didn't seek anything even bordering on illegal and have now deleted the app.
*moderator, I know we're told not to look into things ourselves but I didn't seek anything even bordering on illegal and have now deleted the app.
@BaffledB That's really interesting and helpful information, thank you!
I actually thought I should download kik messenger just to see how it works by searching for legal groups like "garden" or "food".
But then I got a bit scared because of what happened, so I thought I better not.
I actually thought I should download kik messenger just to see how it works by searching for legal groups like "garden" or "food".
But then I got a bit scared because of what happened, so I thought I better not.
Glad you found it helpful!
I was very shocked by what I saw and I'm far from a prude! I had no idea that the nature of groups would be so explicit, easily accessible and transparent on their intentions as well as such a category as food being full of sexual groups. I would've assumed you had to actively search/explore for that kind of stuff but apparently not.
I was very shocked by what I saw and I'm far from a prude! I had no idea that the nature of groups would be so explicit, easily accessible and transparent on their intentions as well as such a category as food being full of sexual groups. I would've assumed you had to actively search/explore for that kind of stuff but apparently not.
Kik destroyed my life, Could someone who's been on kik explain it a bit more? Ive tried speaking to my husband about how exactly this happened. I've read the evidence report with the solicitor but I still don't really understand how kik works. So I know it's anonymous and you can chat to people all over the world (so dangerous) Hubby said photos and videos can be sent similar to Facebook Messenger. He still maintains he was never in a group. He said he downloaded kik to speak anonymously to people about his mental health (I feel ridiculous even typing that!!). then he used it to watch adult porn on it, I think people would send him adult porn videos...which then led to sexting with lots of women on it. He said they would chat for a bit and then send him explicit videos of themselves and he would send videos of himself in return. It was never live like a videocall would be. Thats all bad enough but I can get my head around it. BUT why would a random man send my hubby iioc? Would my husband know what that man had just sent or is it like an ordinary looking file that needs to be downloaded and opened to know the contents and then it's too late once he realises it's iioc? Someone above has mentioned to receive an image/video then you must send one....but how would hubby have an image to begin with? Or would hubby have had to ask someone for it? How would he know who to ask??? It's these smaller details I struggle to understand. Those smaller details have destroyed my marriage, family and future. I also wish I could join kik to see how it actually works but I'm absolutely terrified of it. I'm so wary of the Internet now, especially clicking on the pop-ads on my phone. Brain is fried from all of this.
Christmas Chaos; from what I've been told most people initially meet on sex chat sites and then exchange kik ID's so they can chat with ease and exchange photos or/and videos.
On the day of arrest I was told by police not to access any of the chat sites/apps used by OH. They said they would be used against him at a later stage (showing he was still using app/site despite arrest). I was so angry and wanted to know exactly what extent he had stooped to. I felt like such an idiot for having so much faith in him all these years.
Secretly I did create an account on kik after a few weeks. I couldn't get the deceit out of my mind. I wanted to know. Found his ID. Read his profile meme and fell to pieces. I didn't need to dig any deeper.
Kik is used anonymously basically for sexual chats/communication. If you wanted to make international calls/texts etc then there are more popular and trusted apps such as WhatsApp and various others. This site is for people who want to do things but not be found or identified. I have read it's almost (?) impossible to get chat logs as I believe it's an American website/app and therefore not under our jurisdiction. Having said that, it's not impossible.
Most people who are arrested through decoys/reporting where someone has taken a screenshot of the conversation or image.
I could be wrong but this is what I have found.
I hope I haven't confused anyone. Please correct me if I'm wrong as I'm desperate to know more. Still waiting for news 7 months after the knock.
x
On the day of arrest I was told by police not to access any of the chat sites/apps used by OH. They said they would be used against him at a later stage (showing he was still using app/site despite arrest). I was so angry and wanted to know exactly what extent he had stooped to. I felt like such an idiot for having so much faith in him all these years.
Secretly I did create an account on kik after a few weeks. I couldn't get the deceit out of my mind. I wanted to know. Found his ID. Read his profile meme and fell to pieces. I didn't need to dig any deeper.
Kik is used anonymously basically for sexual chats/communication. If you wanted to make international calls/texts etc then there are more popular and trusted apps such as WhatsApp and various others. This site is for people who want to do things but not be found or identified. I have read it's almost (?) impossible to get chat logs as I believe it's an American website/app and therefore not under our jurisdiction. Having said that, it's not impossible.
Most people who are arrested through decoys/reporting where someone has taken a screenshot of the conversation or image.
I could be wrong but this is what I have found.
I hope I haven't confused anyone. Please correct me if I'm wrong as I'm desperate to know more. Still waiting for news 7 months after the knock.
x
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KIK messenger did allow free phone calls to other countries years ago, long before WhatsApp has ever come into existence. I believe my husband that initially he started using the app for this purpose as his whole family lives abroad. He then got into porn on the app and unfortunately started viewing iioc at some point.
Every case is different.
I wish everyone on this horrible journey lots of strength, none of us deserves to be in this place.
Every case is different.
I wish everyone on this horrible journey lots of strength, none of us deserves to be in this place.
Hi RIG22 ,
Its the lies I can't cope with. My OH claims that he never engaged in any chat on kik although he accessed illegal images! I just don't believe him. Although it must have been heartbreaking seeing his profile at least you now know the truth. I can't find out because his profile was taken down before he could delete it.
I agree with everything you said. I think our situations are very similar, it's so hard isn't it? Hope you are ok xx
Its the lies I can't cope with. My OH claims that he never engaged in any chat on kik although he accessed illegal images! I just don't believe him. Although it must have been heartbreaking seeing his profile at least you now know the truth. I can't find out because his profile was taken down before he could delete it.
I agree with everything you said. I think our situations are very similar, it's so hard isn't it? Hope you are ok xx
Christmas Chaos,
It is very plausible your husband could be telling the truth. You can join Kik with limited information and then join groups on there which will be filled with strangers. As I said in my previous post I searched for groups about food and could've joined if I wanted to, once you've done that you can then chat to the members of the group privately and have the ability to send pics, video call etc. I don't think anyone who is sent iioc on that app would necessarily ask for it, you can send whatever to anyone on there and as inhibitions on there are so low, factored with the anonyminity, it is likely there will be some people who just send that stuff to others for their own satisfaction and to see if there are other likeminded people. Obviously there will be people on there with only the intention of sending that and receiving it but I don't think you can tar everyone with that brush. That's why I didn't join any groups and deleted the app asap, because being on there literally opens you up to being sent absolutely anything, it's frightening.
It is very plausible your husband could be telling the truth. You can join Kik with limited information and then join groups on there which will be filled with strangers. As I said in my previous post I searched for groups about food and could've joined if I wanted to, once you've done that you can then chat to the members of the group privately and have the ability to send pics, video call etc. I don't think anyone who is sent iioc on that app would necessarily ask for it, you can send whatever to anyone on there and as inhibitions on there are so low, factored with the anonyminity, it is likely there will be some people who just send that stuff to others for their own satisfaction and to see if there are other likeminded people. Obviously there will be people on there with only the intention of sending that and receiving it but I don't think you can tar everyone with that brush. That's why I didn't join any groups and deleted the app asap, because being on there literally opens you up to being sent absolutely anything, it's frightening.
Just noticed the part you said hubby had never joined groups. I think as someone else stated he has likely started on a chat site and then gone over to Kik to converse there. The problem is, when chatting to strangers, especially on chat sites and even on Kik, some people pretend to be the absolute opposite of who they are. Some men pretend to be women and vice versa, some white people pretend to black and so on and so forth. This is where it becomes dangerous and weird because your husband could've thought he was talking to a woman when it was actually a man looking to find other men who are interested in exchanging iioc and that's where the offence happened. You just don't know who you are talking to and as great as it is to be able to exercise online promiscuity with adults, you can end up here and that's something that nobody considers.
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hpl111/Losteverything/BaffledB; hope you and everyone on this thread are all coping well. I have ok days and then some really devastating days. There's never a good day anymore. I'm still angry. I'm still sad at everything that's happened, is happening and may happen due to OH's selfish behaviour.
I apologise to anyone who thinks my opinion or words tar or belittle anyone else opinion's and experiences. My anger is at my situation - which I can't share with anyone else. Some days it makes me feel like my head will explode. I'm finding it difficult to cope. 7 months on I'm thinking of all of what's left to lose. I, like you all have worked so hard to build a life, a family and a home and now stand to lose it all.
I agree with some of what everyone has said. Chatting to strangers on sex chat sites lead to kik and Snapchat etc. and once you've been on those sites the curiosity grows and lead to entering groups and the ease of accessing groups/content lead to OH chatting to someone he believed to me a man pretending to be a 13 year old which in fact was a decoy. It was one conversation with the same person on a chat site where kik ID were exchanged. What I can't get my head around is why would a heterosexual man suddenly think it's ok to chat sexually to a man pretending to be a child? If your not attracted to men or children then why? How can that be a turn-on? OH says he was bored and played along. I'm often bored. In fact I've been very bored at various points of my life. Sat at home in my pj's on a Friday or Saturday night watching rubbish tv but never have I thought of chatting to strangers. As you can tell, I'm angry at the betrayal and deceit and just don't know where I'm heading. Having to wait all this time to find out whether this will come out and be in court/newspapers and the impact that will have on famil/friends/work/livelihood etc is keeping me up at night. How much more do we have to endure for someone's instant gratification.
Strength and peace to all. X
I apologise to anyone who thinks my opinion or words tar or belittle anyone else opinion's and experiences. My anger is at my situation - which I can't share with anyone else. Some days it makes me feel like my head will explode. I'm finding it difficult to cope. 7 months on I'm thinking of all of what's left to lose. I, like you all have worked so hard to build a life, a family and a home and now stand to lose it all.
I agree with some of what everyone has said. Chatting to strangers on sex chat sites lead to kik and Snapchat etc. and once you've been on those sites the curiosity grows and lead to entering groups and the ease of accessing groups/content lead to OH chatting to someone he believed to me a man pretending to be a 13 year old which in fact was a decoy. It was one conversation with the same person on a chat site where kik ID were exchanged. What I can't get my head around is why would a heterosexual man suddenly think it's ok to chat sexually to a man pretending to be a child? If your not attracted to men or children then why? How can that be a turn-on? OH says he was bored and played along. I'm often bored. In fact I've been very bored at various points of my life. Sat at home in my pj's on a Friday or Saturday night watching rubbish tv but never have I thought of chatting to strangers. As you can tell, I'm angry at the betrayal and deceit and just don't know where I'm heading. Having to wait all this time to find out whether this will come out and be in court/newspapers and the impact that will have on famil/friends/work/livelihood etc is keeping me up at night. How much more do we have to endure for someone's instant gratification.
Strength and peace to all. X
You've summed up my feelings exactly. The truth is you don't have to endure it.... it's his problem and I think what they have done will always tarnish the future. I don't want my OH to get away with it. I want him to be punished cos that's what he deserves. If he gets away with it I will always know that he did it. Even chatting sexually to another woman has crossed the line as far as I'm concerned.
what I'm trying to say is for me leaving is the option that means I don't have to endure it and I'm free to get on with my life. A few obstacles to get over ie selling home and buying a smaller place. I'd take that any day over the thought of what he's done to me!
what I'm trying to say is for me leaving is the option that means I don't have to endure it and I'm free to get on with my life. A few obstacles to get over ie selling home and buying a smaller place. I'd take that any day over the thought of what he's done to me!
RIG I could have written your words, it's how I feel about what my soon to be ex husband has done to me and the kids. ????
RIG I feel the same and my (soon to be ex) husband is finality feeling the impact of his crime as he has now been sentenced and it was in the media. His boss saw the article and has suspended him. Part of me still cares for him and as he is my kids' dad, i want to support him as much as I can. But part of me wants to shout at him that this is his own fault. He did this. Yes, he was struggling with his mental health but there are plenty of better ways to sort that than go on a chat website and chat with women (it wasn't Kik) and end up chatting with minors, and then also call those minors! I can't believe he was so stupid and weak, and has thrown away everything we've been working towards the last few years.
RIG22, you've summed it up for me too x
RIG,
I don't think you've said anything at all which is offensive in any way so don't worry about that. I completely sympathise with your views. It's a very complex situation as I guess we can never know the truth of the intentions and that's why the law is as it is. I've heard many a man say that they knew it wasn't a real child and they were just playing along waiting for the person to slip up, I can understand in a sense if you didn't know it was illegal and genuinely didn't believe it was a minor doing it, maybe. But at the same time I can't. It's quite mind boggling.
I don't think you've said anything at all which is offensive in any way so don't worry about that. I completely sympathise with your views. It's a very complex situation as I guess we can never know the truth of the intentions and that's why the law is as it is. I've heard many a man say that they knew it wasn't a real child and they were just playing along waiting for the person to slip up, I can understand in a sense if you didn't know it was illegal and genuinely didn't believe it was a minor doing it, maybe. But at the same time I can't. It's quite mind boggling.
Hey everyone!
I'm also a none offending partner of a person who used Kik.
He was using it for 'general porn'. He said files were sent constantly, it was only this one file in particular that contained iioc. 100 images mixed in with legal porn.
I'm sad that they put themselves in that position, looking for legal porn on a group chat, that they'll open any file that's sent to them. I do believe in a lot of the Kik cases that these have been opened accidentally in what I think are police stings. My ex partner said he was horrified when he opened the file, but now he's under investigation, I do wonder from time to time why he didn't report it if he didn't mean it. He's currently waiting to see what the CPS say.
I just want to say that wherever you are in your journey that you've got this, it really does make you stronger than you think.
I'm also a none offending partner of a person who used Kik.
He was using it for 'general porn'. He said files were sent constantly, it was only this one file in particular that contained iioc. 100 images mixed in with legal porn.
I'm sad that they put themselves in that position, looking for legal porn on a group chat, that they'll open any file that's sent to them. I do believe in a lot of the Kik cases that these have been opened accidentally in what I think are police stings. My ex partner said he was horrified when he opened the file, but now he's under investigation, I do wonder from time to time why he didn't report it if he didn't mean it. He's currently waiting to see what the CPS say.
I just want to say that wherever you are in your journey that you've got this, it really does make you stronger than you think.
Bumping this thread back up in light of some recent posts. KIK is nasty and needs to go... (I do of course appreciate that my person is entirely responsible for his own dreadful behaviour, but he was led down a very dark path (by a police decoy) that he would not have done had it not been for this platform)
I think I can chime in here. I myself had gone through a period of online addiction and this incorporated sexual elements, not a time of my life I'm at all proud of.
I had used Kik as there was a forum I frequented where users would post up group links to join and share images or to chat and discuss, completely legal and was advertised as such. A lot of the groups were just that, completely legal conversations and media, usually such things like Onlyfans models or just general scenes that people liked. This was clearly an addiction, feeling a sense of community when you're lonely and feeling gratified that others felt just as lonely and pornography was an outlet for that.
However, many many times, due to anyone being able to join the group from the link, people would start to brigade the groups with illegal content. Some people just get their kicks from posting the most deprived content.
I left that scene, but I did always feel an urge to connect again with the legal content and community. Thankfully now that's not the case and I haven't ever gone back knowing it's so easy to view such material.
But it just goes to show how easy it is to be exposed to it. I didn't have any idea anything like that could be posted in those groups and I was shook. People would post file sharing links to folders, I clicked on one and you can imagine what was there.
Now my son is going through the same ordeal, and I can understand how it happens weather it's a mistake or not. It's far too easy to mistakenly view these things, I'm horrified at what I saw and these people would join every group I was apart of. Kik never banned the groups and I completely destroyed the phone I used at the time, it gave me serious trauma for a long time after.
I suppose the reason for this post is that it's not always black and white. People can go onto these apps with no illegal intentions and have this material sent to the group through no fault of their own. Then it's just luck of the draw if your Internet provider decides to contact the authorities over it.
No doubt people use it just for the illegal content, but the certainty that the police take on this sometimes boggles my mind. They say it's very difficult to find this stuff but in reality so many get exposed to it through no fault of their own and that's a very scary prospect
I had used Kik as there was a forum I frequented where users would post up group links to join and share images or to chat and discuss, completely legal and was advertised as such. A lot of the groups were just that, completely legal conversations and media, usually such things like Onlyfans models or just general scenes that people liked. This was clearly an addiction, feeling a sense of community when you're lonely and feeling gratified that others felt just as lonely and pornography was an outlet for that.
However, many many times, due to anyone being able to join the group from the link, people would start to brigade the groups with illegal content. Some people just get their kicks from posting the most deprived content.
I left that scene, but I did always feel an urge to connect again with the legal content and community. Thankfully now that's not the case and I haven't ever gone back knowing it's so easy to view such material.
But it just goes to show how easy it is to be exposed to it. I didn't have any idea anything like that could be posted in those groups and I was shook. People would post file sharing links to folders, I clicked on one and you can imagine what was there.
Now my son is going through the same ordeal, and I can understand how it happens weather it's a mistake or not. It's far too easy to mistakenly view these things, I'm horrified at what I saw and these people would join every group I was apart of. Kik never banned the groups and I completely destroyed the phone I used at the time, it gave me serious trauma for a long time after.
I suppose the reason for this post is that it's not always black and white. People can go onto these apps with no illegal intentions and have this material sent to the group through no fault of their own. Then it's just luck of the draw if your Internet provider decides to contact the authorities over it.
No doubt people use it just for the illegal content, but the certainty that the police take on this sometimes boggles my mind. They say it's very difficult to find this stuff but in reality so many get exposed to it through no fault of their own and that's a very scary prospect
@Babyblue22
Thank you for that very insightful post.
It's good to hear from someone neutral (meaning not the police and not the offender) what KIK is like.
My husband said that he was in groups where general stuff was posted (memes, car car videos, legal pornography). And this is where he came across the illegal material.
He also said what you said, that you didn't know the content of the videos before you clicked and downloaded them.
Thank you for that very insightful post.
It's good to hear from someone neutral (meaning not the police and not the offender) what KIK is like.
My husband said that he was in groups where general stuff was posted (memes, car car videos, legal pornography). And this is where he came across the illegal material.
He also said what you said, that you didn't know the content of the videos before you clicked and downloaded them.
Hey hp,
No problem. A lot of adult content is actually blurred out and you would have to click on it to even see what the video or image actually is.
As well as the links to file sharing site, they do not state in the link, nor usually at the page you end up in after clicking it, what the contents are. Someone could say "Here's a gallery of nice beach's", click on it l, see a folder named "Beaches" and all of a sudden you have opened a folder containing 1000s of illegal images.
You'd think Kik would actually do anything about this. You'd also think police would know the intent seeing as they clearly can see when a group is hosting specifically illegal material and when that material gets mixed up with completely legal stuff. But they are only interested in the conviction
No problem. A lot of adult content is actually blurred out and you would have to click on it to even see what the video or image actually is.
As well as the links to file sharing site, they do not state in the link, nor usually at the page you end up in after clicking it, what the contents are. Someone could say "Here's a gallery of nice beach's", click on it l, see a folder named "Beaches" and all of a sudden you have opened a folder containing 1000s of illegal images.
You'd think Kik would actually do anything about this. You'd also think police would know the intent seeing as they clearly can see when a group is hosting specifically illegal material and when that material gets mixed up with completely legal stuff. But they are only interested in the conviction
Kik does have some safeguards in place. They scan every image that is uploaded for iioc and report it to the police, but that doesn't prevent people from posting links to stuff.
The way to get Kik removed is to complain to Ofcom about it. In the most recent example, a website in the USA, which promotes suicide, has now blocked UK users from accessing their site. They did this because Ofcom threatened to fine them, if they couldn't keep people safe.
If Ofcom were to make similar threats to the owners of Kik, I have no doubt they would pull their app from the UK too.
The way to get Kik removed is to complain to Ofcom about it. In the most recent example, a website in the USA, which promotes suicide, has now blocked UK users from accessing their site. They did this because Ofcom threatened to fine them, if they couldn't keep people safe.
If Ofcom were to make similar threats to the owners of Kik, I have no doubt they would pull their app from the UK too.
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Let me start from the beginning my husband was raped by his teacher at the age of 12 over a period of 12 months .At the age of 25 we married 14 years ago I found out he had been on gay chat sites he explained to me that he was reliving his abuse via fantasy chats with men wtf !! He received counselling and we got over this gid knows how but we did . 2.5 years ago we got the knock house searched and electronics taken 1 month ago he was re arrested as they had found 4 cat c images 2 b and 3 c in a chat he had been in on the kik platform . He has told me he was only on there to talk to men, he was conversating about his fantasy's about him being abused and he was pretending to be what ever the other men wanted him to be !! He didn't ask for images and didn't search for any but because the images had been put into the group chat which had a lot of people in he is being charged with possession of these images. I am not condoning what he has done any way shape or form but believe if he hadn't been sexually abused as a child by a man he wouldn't of even went onto any gay chat sites in the first place . It was someone he was talking to on the gay chat site that introduced him to kik .we have been together 36 years and I still love him not sure how I can but I do .we are awaiting court date and I'm not sure how I will cope if he is sent to prison or the media get hold of this is there anyone out there possibly going through similar situation ? X
I hadn't heard of KIK I told I came on here. No idea if my person was on it and if that is how he received images. I will never know and I don't think I want to.
Going by what I've read on here our people will have known it was a dodgy site so how much of a 'mistake' was it that they received iioc?
Maybe I'm just bitter.
Our people surely know it is a dodgy site but carry on regardless.
But totally agree if the site is that bad why it isn't taken down.
Going by what I've read on here our people will have known it was a dodgy site so how much of a 'mistake' was it that they received iioc?
Maybe I'm just bitter.
Our people surely know it is a dodgy site but carry on regardless.
But totally agree if the site is that bad why it isn't taken down.