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So my son is just finishing his degree and is applying for jobs - both 'serious' jobs and local retail stuff as a short-term. He's got a three-year community order and 5 years SOR. I'm trying to get my head around what he discloses - for example, he's just filled in an application for a local shop and it asked whether he has a criminal record. I understand that he has to say yes and then it asked what for. How on earth do we deal with this? Apart from anything, we've recently moved to a totally new area - this is nothing to do with his offence, but it's nice that nobody knows him here and I'm scared that this will suddenly change because someone local will now know.
Any information your son provides on applications will have to be kept confidential and will be subject to GDPR rules. If you think practically, if you or I applied for a job you wouldn't expect your details to be published or shared in any way. Although I understand anyone at all knowing is hard.
Unlock are a good place for employment advice I believe. We aren't there yet.
More sympathy than advice. It's such a hard situation xxx sending love x
Unlock are a good place for employment advice I believe. We aren't there yet.
More sympathy than advice. It's such a hard situation xxx sending love x
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Posted Thu August 18, 2022 7:03pmReport post
My partner lost his job post sentencing as his employment contract stated he had to tell them once he had a conviction. But tbh it was making him miserable and it was better he left.
he's now retraining as a HGV driver, and seems happy.
Through his probation worker he's written a disclosure letter for jobs in future, and their advice was to note it's a conviction under section 20.etc rather than state what it was in simple terms.
in her experience she said many don't look it up and just note it. How true that is I don't know but thought I would share xFound this on a previous post. My person tried this once and the person interviewing asked what it was so he had to disclose anyway xxx
Posted Thu August 18, 2022 7:03pmReport post
My partner lost his job post sentencing as his employment contract stated he had to tell them once he had a conviction. But tbh it was making him miserable and it was better he left.
he's now retraining as a HGV driver, and seems happy.
Through his probation worker he's written a disclosure letter for jobs in future, and their advice was to note it's a conviction under section 20.etc rather than state what it was in simple terms.
in her experience she said many don't look it up and just note it. How true that is I don't know but thought I would share xFound this on a previous post. My person tried this once and the person interviewing asked what it was so he had to disclose anyway xxx
Thank you so much ladies - that's really helpful and much appreciated xx
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Hi,
I'm really confused by the differing "advice/restrictions" given to people who have the same sentence. My son has been told by PPU manager that he's not allowed any public facing roles and he's only allowed to work at companies that are 18+ or there will be disclosure. This basically limits him to warehouse work and night shifts.
Why is there no consistency across policies? How can one person be allowed to just get on with there lives and others be so severely restricted despite there being no contact restrictions on his shpo meaning he's basically a recluse and struggling to get work. On top of that to be told he needs to be searching for work 35 hours per week, and has to apply for anything and everything when he can't because of restrictions and disclosure? That even if he discloses on application we have been told that if anyone under the age of 18 works there police will disclose to their parents to ask if they're happy their child could come into contact with a RSO? If they say no, he can't work there. If they say yes, they will be referred to SS for a concern about their parenting and ability to protect!
I'm really confused by the differing "advice/restrictions" given to people who have the same sentence. My son has been told by PPU manager that he's not allowed any public facing roles and he's only allowed to work at companies that are 18+ or there will be disclosure. This basically limits him to warehouse work and night shifts.
Why is there no consistency across policies? How can one person be allowed to just get on with there lives and others be so severely restricted despite there being no contact restrictions on his shpo meaning he's basically a recluse and struggling to get work. On top of that to be told he needs to be searching for work 35 hours per week, and has to apply for anything and everything when he can't because of restrictions and disclosure? That even if he discloses on application we have been told that if anyone under the age of 18 works there police will disclose to their parents to ask if they're happy their child could come into contact with a RSO? If they say no, he can't work there. If they say yes, they will be referred to SS for a concern about their parenting and ability to protect!
So tired I am becoming increasingly frustrated and confused about the inconsistency of this and my son isn't being given any straight answers to any questions he asks regarding what jobs he can or cannot apply for-obviously he wouldn't be applying for any which have direct contact with children.
He was forced by the Visor ( same as PPU) to either disclose or resign from his previous job even though he never had any unsupervised contact with children and the reason given was that parents would want to know if they were served by someone on the SOR.
My question is how on earth would even know?- you're hardly likely to ask whether someone serving you is on the register or if they have a conviction for anything really.
When he asked the Visor and his Probation officer what jobs he could apply for they said they didn't really know and would have to consider everything on a case by case basis as to whether they would also tell any potential employers.
He applied for a job working nights and got an interview and he chose to disclose because he wanted to be open and honest-well guess what? Despite having previously done the exact same job and there being no under 18's employed there he didn't get considered.
He has been referred to a job agency by his P.O and one of the jobs they suggested was as a delivery driver for a pizza company!!- how is this ok where he would be delivering to peoples houses and working in a public space isn't?
They also suggested training as an HGV driver which is not something he has ever had any interest or experience in before so why would he suddenly want to now ?
It seems to me that the police and others want to consign people who commit these offences to working in low paid jobs and really don't care about them.
Rant over now !!!
He was forced by the Visor ( same as PPU) to either disclose or resign from his previous job even though he never had any unsupervised contact with children and the reason given was that parents would want to know if they were served by someone on the SOR.
My question is how on earth would even know?- you're hardly likely to ask whether someone serving you is on the register or if they have a conviction for anything really.
When he asked the Visor and his Probation officer what jobs he could apply for they said they didn't really know and would have to consider everything on a case by case basis as to whether they would also tell any potential employers.
He applied for a job working nights and got an interview and he chose to disclose because he wanted to be open and honest-well guess what? Despite having previously done the exact same job and there being no under 18's employed there he didn't get considered.
He has been referred to a job agency by his P.O and one of the jobs they suggested was as a delivery driver for a pizza company!!- how is this ok where he would be delivering to peoples houses and working in a public space isn't?
They also suggested training as an HGV driver which is not something he has ever had any interest or experience in before so why would he suddenly want to now ?
It seems to me that the police and others want to consign people who commit these offences to working in low paid jobs and really don't care about them.
Rant over now !!!
It's ridiculous isn't it. We know that vast numbers of ex-prisoners re-offend and you can see why; there is so little in place (apart from things like Unlock) to support them. I know our sons aren't ex-prisoners but it's not a dissimilar outcome; how are they supposed to rebuild their lives? Trouble is, before I went through this experience, I wouldn't have wanted to employ someone guilty of this particular crime - I know differently now, of course.
My son is seeing his P.O. on Tuesday and we have a post-sentencing meeting with our solicitor on Friday so I'll see what information we can glean from that and will let you all know xx
My son is seeing his P.O. on Tuesday and we have a post-sentencing meeting with our solicitor on Friday so I'll see what information we can glean from that and will let you all know xx
My partner was sacked prior to sentencing/post cps charges.
He has applied for a job where no dbs was needed, but recruitment company required a disclosure stament.
As soon as he mentioned SOR they withdrew the offer on the basis 'they MIGHT take on an apprentice in the future'
He has thankfully been successful in another job where no disclosure or dbs required. He will just avoid the jobs which require disclosed in the future, as sadly discrimination will and does happen, I recommend running anything past unlock x
He has applied for a job where no dbs was needed, but recruitment company required a disclosure stament.
As soon as he mentioned SOR they withdrew the offer on the basis 'they MIGHT take on an apprentice in the future'
He has thankfully been successful in another job where no disclosure or dbs required. He will just avoid the jobs which require disclosed in the future, as sadly discrimination will and does happen, I recommend running anything past unlock x