ARMS risk assessment
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Hi,
I'm just wondering if anyone has ever had access to the ARMS risk assessment? Or knows if this is possible?
Im thinking in terms of safeguarding and policies, would this be effective to allow us to more effectively understand and manage the risk for our families?
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I'm just wondering if anyone has ever had access to the ARMS risk assessment? Or knows if this is possible?
Im thinking in terms of safeguarding and policies, would this be effective to allow us to more effectively understand and manage the risk for our families?
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Hi,
To the best of my knowledge your person can request a copy from probation. Have you seen the assessment criteria for risks and protective? I'm not sure how it would work in terms of safeguarding as it seems to be very standardised and reliant on the person assessing judgement and honesty from the offender. I've just had a very quick look back over the website I found and an example of risk is opportunity to offend and protective is an intimate relationship. For me I find it hard to trust these assessments because my person had most things on the protective list when offending and has lost a lot of them due to his offence xxx
To the best of my knowledge your person can request a copy from probation. Have you seen the assessment criteria for risks and protective? I'm not sure how it would work in terms of safeguarding as it seems to be very standardised and reliant on the person assessing judgement and honesty from the offender. I've just had a very quick look back over the website I found and an example of risk is opportunity to offend and protective is an intimate relationship. For me I find it hard to trust these assessments because my person had most things on the protective list when offending and has lost a lot of them due to his offence xxx
Thanks for the reply. I've been looking at the policies re offender management and trying to marry them up with the additional safeguarding restrictions we have to live by which as I understand it is linked to his risk. So therefore, I was thinking if I understand their perception of risk in more detail that would allow me to safeguard us against discourse in the future or to help manage that risk for us as a family.
For example, re jobs. It doesn't state anywhere where my son is allowed to work. UC state he needs to apply for any and every job he is "fit and able" to do - this doesn't link with the restrictions via police and probation which includes no public facing roles (for the moment it was said yesterday) and no volunteering roles even for example if he worked out the back at the food bank stacking and organising food where he would not come into contact with the general public. We believe this is now going to be stopped. It just means if he/we understand how probation and police judge him, then we can more easily understand how to manage that.
Another example is that my youngest teenage son cannot have friends call for him without risk of disclosure that it is the home of an RSO. Even if that person doesn't come inside. Whilst that's not illegal and out of our control, it is a safeguarding restriction imposed by police. So my son is losing friends because they find it weird when he has said they can't call for him. (I've said blame me.) If I understand their perception of that risk that an under 18 could be on my driveway and that therefore will result in disclosure, then at least that will be a starting point instead of just feeling frustrated that we are both being punished. Or if a friend of mine who has children happened to be passing but had their child with them - that would be disclosure regardless. Just trying to find ways to manage all of this (just bought a ring doorbell so that we don't even answer the door and not give my eldest son access to it - that way, if the door doesn't physically open I am thinking this could mitigate against that)
I think the threat and propensity for disclosure is so restrictive that we have no chance at living anything near to a normal life.
Now after all of that waffle, he's going to ask haha
For example, re jobs. It doesn't state anywhere where my son is allowed to work. UC state he needs to apply for any and every job he is "fit and able" to do - this doesn't link with the restrictions via police and probation which includes no public facing roles (for the moment it was said yesterday) and no volunteering roles even for example if he worked out the back at the food bank stacking and organising food where he would not come into contact with the general public. We believe this is now going to be stopped. It just means if he/we understand how probation and police judge him, then we can more easily understand how to manage that.
Another example is that my youngest teenage son cannot have friends call for him without risk of disclosure that it is the home of an RSO. Even if that person doesn't come inside. Whilst that's not illegal and out of our control, it is a safeguarding restriction imposed by police. So my son is losing friends because they find it weird when he has said they can't call for him. (I've said blame me.) If I understand their perception of that risk that an under 18 could be on my driveway and that therefore will result in disclosure, then at least that will be a starting point instead of just feeling frustrated that we are both being punished. Or if a friend of mine who has children happened to be passing but had their child with them - that would be disclosure regardless. Just trying to find ways to manage all of this (just bought a ring doorbell so that we don't even answer the door and not give my eldest son access to it - that way, if the door doesn't physically open I am thinking this could mitigate against that)
I think the threat and propensity for disclosure is so restrictive that we have no chance at living anything near to a normal life.
Now after all of that waffle, he's going to ask haha
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Hi,
I'm sorry but that is absolute insanity re your younger son. Is that their interpretation of a no contact clause in the SHPO? I can understand his friends not being allowed in the house if your other son is in but surely it's ok for him to just not open the door to them (your older son I mean). If I were you I'd request everything in writing xxx
I'm sorry but that is absolute insanity re your younger son. Is that their interpretation of a no contact clause in the SHPO? I can understand his friends not being allowed in the house if your other son is in but surely it's ok for him to just not open the door to them (your older son I mean). If I were you I'd request everything in writing xxx
The contact clause was taken out of the SHPO at court. But that doesn't matter as that's the legal side of things, whereas this is the safeguarding side of things and as I understand it based on risk means that it has been re-imposed, just that my son can't be prosecuted for it as a breach of SHPO but will lead to disclosure
Even if my other son is not in the house, police and probation will disclose as it is the home of a RSO and that is their policy
I know, I need to ask for it in writing but just getting all of my thoughts into place before I do (and terrified at the thought of it getting worse!)
I know, I need to ask for it in writing but just getting all of my thoughts into place before I do (and terrified at the thought of it getting worse!)
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My oh has no contact restrictions-internet only.
his visor has said, as long as I am present to supervise and he is never alone we can have friends/family with children in our house (or go to theirs) and not disclose to anyone.
it really feels like your visor/probation are still being hard and imposing restrictions they shouldn't. Legally they cant just disclose to anyone, they have to have reasonable cause. Your younger sons friend knocking on the door would not constitute this. I know it's horrible and you don't want to rock the boat- but contact unlock and you need to go above them and complain
his visor has said, as long as I am present to supervise and he is never alone we can have friends/family with children in our house (or go to theirs) and not disclose to anyone.
it really feels like your visor/probation are still being hard and imposing restrictions they shouldn't. Legally they cant just disclose to anyone, they have to have reasonable cause. Your younger sons friend knocking on the door would not constitute this. I know it's horrible and you don't want to rock the boat- but contact unlock and you need to go above them and complain
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