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Even after sentencing - has anyone had experience with their person denying the crime? Saying they've been set up or it's been a mistake? Bad legal advice? I would be really interested to hear if anyone has or what your take on that is.
Do the police charge someone if they don't have absolute concrete evidence?
Thinking out loud here, sorry. Just wanted to hear any other similar experiences.
Do the police charge someone if they don't have absolute concrete evidence?
Thinking out loud here, sorry. Just wanted to hear any other similar experiences.
Hi
My person continues to deny he thought the person he was talking to was a child. He denies he would ever want to speak to a child. He was found guilty of attempted sexual communication with a child.
We have had heated arguements where I have stated even post sentancing just tell me the truth (I have read the transcript (typed up in word) which is scraping the 'sexual' barrel in my eyes) and he will state im not going to admit to something I havent done.
The evidence had changed during the ongoing court processes one photo one time and then a differnt one, and email address used which he swears hes never seen, then later on the email address had changed to his when presented in the court.
He had an independant forensic person look at the 'evidence' who stated the pic (head shot) looked of a person over 18 etc but that didnt match with the pic previously shown as both him and barrister were shocked when seen. No other pics shared. But the independent persons report wasn't allowed to be used in court go figure?
I Dont know if hes telling the truth or not and i guess i never will know and this is what will continue to eat away at me I guess. He has no reason now to change what he says but... as he said he should never have been on the chat room in the first place to even be accused of something which is something we can both agree on.
Take care lovely xx
My person continues to deny he thought the person he was talking to was a child. He denies he would ever want to speak to a child. He was found guilty of attempted sexual communication with a child.
We have had heated arguements where I have stated even post sentancing just tell me the truth (I have read the transcript (typed up in word) which is scraping the 'sexual' barrel in my eyes) and he will state im not going to admit to something I havent done.
The evidence had changed during the ongoing court processes one photo one time and then a differnt one, and email address used which he swears hes never seen, then later on the email address had changed to his when presented in the court.
He had an independant forensic person look at the 'evidence' who stated the pic (head shot) looked of a person over 18 etc but that didnt match with the pic previously shown as both him and barrister were shocked when seen. No other pics shared. But the independent persons report wasn't allowed to be used in court go figure?
I Dont know if hes telling the truth or not and i guess i never will know and this is what will continue to eat away at me I guess. He has no reason now to change what he says but... as he said he should never have been on the chat room in the first place to even be accused of something which is something we can both agree on.
Take care lovely xx
Hi Summer, my (now ex) OH has been in denial from the start: Someone sent him a huge file which he didn't look at and didn't know what was in it. He was entrapped by the undercover police officer (UPO) in the chat room and wasn't interested in contact. He's pleaded guilty to 5 of the 7 charges, but the transcript of the conversation with the UPO was a whole different story. Sometimes I think he's gasighting me. He hasn't been sentenced yet, but denial seems to be a common theme with those who've been arrested.
This is probably an unpopular opinion but I genuinely believe some men genuinely do not believe that they're speaking to an actual minor and go along with it to trip them up but unfortunately don't know they're committing a crime even if it isn't a real child.
I have often strung scam callers along when they've called me or people who have messaged me in my DM's on social media with scams or catfishing as a model to try and trip them up, obviously what I'm doing is not illegal but I understand from doing this the thought process of some men in this scenario in regards to tripping people up but I can't understand sending pics etc. to strangers who are weird enough to pretend they are a kid if that's what they think. Pair that with the fact a lot of them are already chatting to a load of people in a sexual forum space MEANT FOR ADULTS, many of which clearly lie about all kinds of scenarios for the purposes of roleplay/fantasy it is a recipe for disaster sometimes. I read the transcript in my partner's case and it was absolutely obvious it wasn't really a 13 year old in those chat logs. I've seen and heard the decoys vigilantes use and it's blatantly obvious it's an adult woman on the phone. I can't speak for every case and of course there will be a lot who genuinely believe it IS a minor but the only person who truly knows their intentions is the person in the chat which makes it difficult to defend these offences. I don't agree with the way decoys behave or certain places they choose to operate, unless anyone can show me actual proof that real children sign up to dating sites or lie their way into Kik groups specifically around sex etc. then I don't understand why decoys are placed there if not to purposely blur the lines in order to get convictions.
I have often strung scam callers along when they've called me or people who have messaged me in my DM's on social media with scams or catfishing as a model to try and trip them up, obviously what I'm doing is not illegal but I understand from doing this the thought process of some men in this scenario in regards to tripping people up but I can't understand sending pics etc. to strangers who are weird enough to pretend they are a kid if that's what they think. Pair that with the fact a lot of them are already chatting to a load of people in a sexual forum space MEANT FOR ADULTS, many of which clearly lie about all kinds of scenarios for the purposes of roleplay/fantasy it is a recipe for disaster sometimes. I read the transcript in my partner's case and it was absolutely obvious it wasn't really a 13 year old in those chat logs. I've seen and heard the decoys vigilantes use and it's blatantly obvious it's an adult woman on the phone. I can't speak for every case and of course there will be a lot who genuinely believe it IS a minor but the only person who truly knows their intentions is the person in the chat which makes it difficult to defend these offences. I don't agree with the way decoys behave or certain places they choose to operate, unless anyone can show me actual proof that real children sign up to dating sites or lie their way into Kik groups specifically around sex etc. then I don't understand why decoys are placed there if not to purposely blur the lines in order to get convictions.
It was a decoy case. Denies even ever having spoken to anyone. He says it wasn't him someone set him up. Surely it's easy to prove that it wasn't someone?
Your mind goes around in circles doesn't it? Sometimes I think that people have been wrongly accused and convicted before - so it's possible, and other times I think trauma makes you literally believe the lies you're telling in order to protect yourself, if that makes sense. So you actually end up believing your own narrative, true or not.
Your mind goes around in circles doesn't it? Sometimes I think that people have been wrongly accused and convicted before - so it's possible, and other times I think trauma makes you literally believe the lies you're telling in order to protect yourself, if that makes sense. So you actually end up believing your own narrative, true or not.
I haven't been on the forum for ages and yours is the first post I read. I could have written it myself, sounds so similar to my story. My journey started in November 2020 and I still don't even know if he will be charged. Decoy comms and images on his phone. He denies it all says he didn't speak in any chat room. Says he watched porn on apps and that's all. Has not waivered from his story in 2 1/2 years. No charges yet so therefore no evidence to view. Can't have the phone back to do our own investigation until they charge him, or decide not to. Sometimes I think they've just forgotten about us and we will never hear again. Child services won't budge until he is cleared so access to the kids is superervised. It's a weird state of limbo but one I've got used to now as any change in this state could make our lives so much worse. I'm so sorry I can give you any answers, it's hell. I'm close to coming to terms with never knowing for sure. I hope you get answers and that you get some resolution. X
Mine blamed the police, the children who liked to pose...
Me
His upbringing and some of the details of his childhood.
The people he supported in his career, his manager, his colleagues, his ex colleagues ...
I could keep listing....
he knew what he was doing. It was all planned logistically and with things he had purchased and with what I had to view.
One of his friends recently contacted me as the person had seen the media... through google. The person described him as a "whinger".... so true!
Me
His upbringing and some of the details of his childhood.
The people he supported in his career, his manager, his colleagues, his ex colleagues ...
I could keep listing....
he knew what he was doing. It was all planned logistically and with things he had purchased and with what I had to view.
One of his friends recently contacted me as the person had seen the media... through google. The person described him as a "whinger".... so true!
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