RUI, Bail & Remand: Correlation with Severity?
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Hi all,
I wanted to reach out & ask those who have had to go through the knock & following processes with their persons if they felt like whatever they got during investigation, albeit Released Under Investigation, Bail, or Remand was proportionate to the conviction or alleged offences that they were implicated with.
I've heard that a lot of constabularies will avoid bail after 3 months as it means they have to provide extra paper work due to legislation that changed the ability to keep people on bail indefinitely without oversight.
I wanted to know whether others felt that RUI meant the constabulary investigating felt it was of less severity/risk, those who recieved bail throughout the entire course of the investigation had a slightly higher risk percieved by the investigators, and that those who recieved remand were of the highest risk.
My person was put on bail during initial investigation & then shortly RUI without bail.
Any opinions, thoughts or experience on this matter is greatly appreciated.
I wanted to reach out & ask those who have had to go through the knock & following processes with their persons if they felt like whatever they got during investigation, albeit Released Under Investigation, Bail, or Remand was proportionate to the conviction or alleged offences that they were implicated with.
I've heard that a lot of constabularies will avoid bail after 3 months as it means they have to provide extra paper work due to legislation that changed the ability to keep people on bail indefinitely without oversight.
I wanted to know whether others felt that RUI meant the constabulary investigating felt it was of less severity/risk, those who recieved bail throughout the entire course of the investigation had a slightly higher risk percieved by the investigators, and that those who recieved remand were of the highest risk.
My person was put on bail during initial investigation & then shortly RUI without bail.
Any opinions, thoughts or experience on this matter is greatly appreciated.
I would love this so he could come home but I reckon has more to do with the officer
My person was held on remand, communication offence no arrangements to meet. I do think it has to do with the oic although looking at timescales on here I think being on remand was advantageous in that it was dealt with within 6 months xxx
When you say shortly how long was it until RUI?
Being RUI'd just means they are trying to build a stronger case against you before putting it to the CPS for a charging decision.
My person was arrested in 2019, bailed for 30 days, then a further 3 months. Then RUI.
6 years later, charged.
Its almost criminal in itself that this is allowed to happen and I did hear that there may be an official enquiry into changing this legislation as the toll it takes on all parties concerned is devastating.
I do with you all the best on this horrendous journey.
My person was arrested in 2019, bailed for 30 days, then a further 3 months. Then RUI.
6 years later, charged.
Its almost criminal in itself that this is allowed to happen and I did hear that there may be an official enquiry into changing this legislation as the toll it takes on all parties concerned is devastating.
I do with you all the best on this horrendous journey.
My son was on bail with conditions for 6 months and now changed to RUI. I was told if extended after 6 months there is lot more paperwork.
Part thinks a positive they must not currently having anything that makes him a danger to anyone.
Then part thinks does this mean they could drag this on.
Part thinks a positive they must not currently having anything that makes him a danger to anyone.
Then part thinks does this mean they could drag this on.
my oh has been released on bail, the conditions being no contact with persons under 18 rather than no unsupervised contact. The OIC called me when he was released assuring me they didn't see him as a risk to my child(not his biological). Those bail conditions tell me otherwise, I'm due to give birth any day now and honestly I feel like I'm expected to just wipe him from my life without a care.
It kills me that they can't give any actual details other than the suspicion of posessing iioc. Perhaps I could process things a little better if I just had some reasonings. I know it's not about me but surely there must be a better way
It kills me that they can't give any actual details other than the suspicion of posessing iioc. Perhaps I could process things a little better if I just had some reasonings. I know it's not about me but surely there must be a better way
My suspicious side says that going RUI lets the police off the hook with following procedures for bail including going to the magistrates for an extension. Our son's OIC even messaged him to say that she had never done that before as if he was supposed to say sorry for upsetting her. But a short while later his bail was changed to RUI anyway so the OIC was spared the ordeal :)
So here we are, 2 years exactly since his arrest and no further forward so RUI does often mean that the police can safely forget about you indefinitely it seems! I would hope that they would be stricter with anyone who they think poses a real theat to the public but who knows - they seem to make it up as they go along, making excuses as they go to cover their inefficiency.
I would add though that just because there are no bail conditions any more we were expected to keep them by SS. We could have refused but decided it wasn't worth it so it really hasn't made much of a difference.
So here we are, 2 years exactly since his arrest and no further forward so RUI does often mean that the police can safely forget about you indefinitely it seems! I would hope that they would be stricter with anyone who they think poses a real theat to the public but who knows - they seem to make it up as they go along, making excuses as they go to cover their inefficiency.
I would add though that just because there are no bail conditions any more we were expected to keep them by SS. We could have refused but decided it wasn't worth it so it really hasn't made much of a difference.
My person was my husband. We had 4 children at the time, 2 of which were adults. He was remanded straight away. Eventually he was sentenced to 3 years in prison for making IIOC and sharing, all cats. First offence. Rubbish solicitor/barrister. Was it proportional? Didn't feel like it at the time, but yes, probably.
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I'm afraid this is more about politics than anything.
RUI was introduced because of concerns that people were spending too long on bail. Then, after a few years when lots of RUI were done, the politicians became concerned that not enough people were being bailed, so the pendulum swung back again.
However, one thing I discovered when researching this, is that since 2020, every case should be given an Expected Finish Date (EFD). This is the date they expect the investigation to finish.
It may well be an arbitrary thing, but for all those who are waiting, you could try asking your solicitor to enquire about the EFD.
If such a date does exist, even it is buried away deep in the paperwork, then this matters, because if the police do not meet it, a person can potentially claim compensation. Reminding the police of this, could help to focus their attention on your particular case.
RUI was introduced because of concerns that people were spending too long on bail. Then, after a few years when lots of RUI were done, the politicians became concerned that not enough people were being bailed, so the pendulum swung back again.
However, one thing I discovered when researching this, is that since 2020, every case should be given an Expected Finish Date (EFD). This is the date they expect the investigation to finish.
It may well be an arbitrary thing, but for all those who are waiting, you could try asking your solicitor to enquire about the EFD.
If such a date does exist, even it is buried away deep in the paperwork, then this matters, because if the police do not meet it, a person can potentially claim compensation. Reminding the police of this, could help to focus their attention on your particular case.
My partner was on bail for 13 months, charged with possession of indecent images across all categories. Then went to magistrates the month after, was then sent to crown 2 months after that where he pleaded guilty and went back a month after for sentencing.
lifeisover,
I believe it was around 3 months.
Thankyou all for your replies
I believe it was around 3 months.
Thankyou all for your replies