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Hi guys, we can't get hold of the officer assigned to my oh on sor. He is just on sor. When we report a child stopping over the night are they informed about him being on sor? I am talking about a nearly 18 year old not a younger child but obviously it still needs reporting as they're under 18. I really don't want them to know because I don't want it to have more effect on my children being pushed away because of this (if that makes sense). Just trying to get some answers and don't know where else to turn as his officer is on leave.
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I don't think there is a consistent answer to this one. Some forces might judge that disclosure is necessary and others might not. As a parent I would be miffed if I wasn't aware that my child stayed overnight with someone on sor and I had no knowledge of the fact before they stayed but I also understand your fears that your children would be affected and isolated. We've made the decision that my partner would not stay overnight if our daughter has friends stay over. He will be off the SOR years before this becomes something we will be facing but in my head the fallout of someone finding out and being upset is greater than the inconvenience of him staying elsewhere for the night xxx
I don't think there is a consistent answer to this one. Some forces might judge that disclosure is necessary and others might not. As a parent I would be miffed if I wasn't aware that my child stayed overnight with someone on sor and I had no knowledge of the fact before they stayed but I also understand your fears that your children would be affected and isolated. We've made the decision that my partner would not stay overnight if our daughter has friends stay over. He will be off the SOR years before this becomes something we will be facing but in my head the fallout of someone finding out and being upset is greater than the inconvenience of him staying elsewhere for the night xxx
The rule is that if he is in the property for 12 hours or more, he must notify. Police have no discretion over that.
If he was there less than 12 hours, it is his choice whether to disclose or not.
If he was there less than 12 hours, it is his choice whether to disclose or not.
How would the police know what time he got there.... what if he stayed for 11 hours 59 minutes left then came back.... the time would reset then.
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That's helpful loveactually and i would think you are likely right as it sounds sensible however as you write you are assuming and don't have that written as a fact how would that stand up in court if the rule states 12 hours it says nothing about in what time period. If you leave before 12 hours and come back then surely it resets. I have double checked the paperwork and there is no mention of 24 hour time period nor does it states anywhere a time period just to leave before the 12 hours.
also I don't think I can continue to live my life in fear in my own home from the police. If you go by the paperwork and leave before the 12 hours I wouldn't see an issue
also I don't think I can continue to live my life in fear in my own home from the police. If you go by the paperwork and leave before the 12 hours I wouldn't see an issue
I think this will depend on your offender manager. We had a 15 year old stay the night unexpectedly which my son reported to the police station within the 12 hours. The police person on the desk noted the young persons name added it to my sons SOR but didn't notify the young person or his parents. It was all managed discretely and professionally.
My nephew stopped over and my oh notified the police as he is suppose to and the woman who took the information said that she doesn't intend to contact them (which she didn't) yet the officer who is assigned to my oh said that he would contact people concerned if my oh notified them of someone stopping over. He is on the lowest sor, only sor, and been deemed low risk. We just don't want to plan something and then hear that contact had been made as I am concerned of the impact this could have for my kids and their friendships.
As for my oh stopping elsewhere, we are very rural where we live and don't really have family/friends around us where he could stop.
We have and always will follow the terms of the sor, hence why I'm trying to find out the information but it's difficult because it seems to be different for all and the officer assigned to my oh seems to always be on leave which is frustrating.
I appreciate all advice I've been given though. Thank you
As for my oh stopping elsewhere, we are very rural where we live and don't really have family/friends around us where he could stop.
We have and always will follow the terms of the sor, hence why I'm trying to find out the information but it's difficult because it seems to be different for all and the officer assigned to my oh seems to always be on leave which is frustrating.
I appreciate all advice I've been given though. Thank you
if the family of the under 18 were to report the offender then it would be upto the offender to prove they have been within the 12 hours. The unlock site states under 12 hours so if they have been in the household 11 hours and 59 minutes and then leave and return and the under 18 is still there then the total will be more than the 12 hours.
The law doesnt say anything about 12 hours within a 24 hour period, nor does it state that the clock resets if the person leaves and then comes back.
Like a lot of the legislation it is vague and open to interpretation. Thats why the latest police and crime bill is proposing to get rid of the 12 hour rule and replace with it with advance notification of any entry to a proprty where a child lives, for any amount of time.
Proving that the law has been broken is always a matter of evidence. I expect the police would look at any CCTV and the tracking info on the persons phone, to establish what time they entered and when they left. If they couldnt prove conclusively that the person was there for more than 12 hours, then he might get an NFA.
But why would you want to take that risk?
Like a lot of the legislation it is vague and open to interpretation. Thats why the latest police and crime bill is proposing to get rid of the 12 hour rule and replace with it with advance notification of any entry to a proprty where a child lives, for any amount of time.
Proving that the law has been broken is always a matter of evidence. I expect the police would look at any CCTV and the tracking info on the persons phone, to establish what time they entered and when they left. If they couldnt prove conclusively that the person was there for more than 12 hours, then he might get an NFA.
But why would you want to take that risk?