Anyone here whose IP address and email/username is only link
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The only link we've been told by the police for my 16yr old son is that our IP address and sons email address is linked. We don't know how only it happened when he was 15. Our thoughts are snapchat just because thats where he's reported stuff.
I recall once reading someone on here who had similar where they were only told IP address and email but wondered if anyone else in a similar situation.
The only link we've been told by the police for my 16yr old son is that our IP address and sons email address is linked. We don't know how only it happened when he was 15. Our thoughts are snapchat just because thats where he's reported stuff.
I recall once reading someone on here who had similar where they were only told IP address and email but wondered if anyone else in a similar situation.
We were images and it was ip address and email
When you say email and IP is the only link, I'm not sure what you mean?
Unfortunately, I don't think your situation is particularly unique. I assume an image has alerted the authorities and it's linked to you/your household by IP and then email address. This is pretty much how the image stuff works. The police will not know the details until they investigate. I guess there are a number of ways any one of us can come into contact with an illegal image - accident, unsolicited, solicited etc etc. the police have to try and ascertain how it happened. There are obviously issues around this - it can be hard to prove how/why hence the need for forensics/specialists etc
At this point, I'm not sure there is any more to know. We're pretty much all in the same boat... unless our people can explain I guess - many can't / won't (also a fraught and problematic issue for countless reasons).
Not sure if this helps but I don't think your situation is really any different to most of us here. Do you have a solicitor? Unfortunately, even if an image has been viewed/received (or whatever the terminology is) completely accidentally/unintentionally once the police are aware, it's potentially tricky.
I'm sorry we're all dealing with this.
Unfortunately, I don't think your situation is particularly unique. I assume an image has alerted the authorities and it's linked to you/your household by IP and then email address. This is pretty much how the image stuff works. The police will not know the details until they investigate. I guess there are a number of ways any one of us can come into contact with an illegal image - accident, unsolicited, solicited etc etc. the police have to try and ascertain how it happened. There are obviously issues around this - it can be hard to prove how/why hence the need for forensics/specialists etc
At this point, I'm not sure there is any more to know. We're pretty much all in the same boat... unless our people can explain I guess - many can't / won't (also a fraught and problematic issue for countless reasons).
Not sure if this helps but I don't think your situation is really any different to most of us here. Do you have a solicitor? Unfortunately, even if an image has been viewed/received (or whatever the terminology is) completely accidentally/unintentionally once the police are aware, it's potentially tricky.
I'm sorry we're all dealing with this.
It would help if we knew what they were actually viewed on. Was it Internet or snapchat.
Guess all I read on here is people seem to have admitted to stuff after knock but in my case our son says he doesn't know. So it's the horrible waiting.
Guess all I read on here is people seem to have admitted to stuff after knock but in my case our son says he doesn't know. So it's the horrible waiting.
We're in a similar position. I guess with teens, it's less likely they'll be comfortable talking about any of it, and I know it's incredibly unfair, but it doesn't necessarily seem like the specific circumstances of how the image came to be on a person's device really matters to the police.
I know it does matter, of course but I've definitely read some people's experience is that even with proof the image wasn't asked for, was immediately deleted, sometimes wasn't even viewed etc and they were still charged. Not saying this to scare you, but it just seems like there's reality, and then the police's version which can be different.
I guess you won't know more until the police finish their investigation and even then it might not be entirely clear. Do you have a solicitor who can maybe ask the police for some initial clarification for you? They still might not give it but they could also advise you on likely next steps.
There's obviously always a chance that they don't find anything and you get a NFA - but of course you've all still been through hell in the interim. It's all so horrible, isn't it? I wish I could think of something to say that would ease your mind.
It's so incredibly unfair for young people to be treated like this, because even if they did ask for images or share them or whatever, they simply should not be able to access this stuff so readily. It shouldn't be possible for them to get themselves in such a big mess so easily. They are victims too. Society, the internet providers, the government and absolutely the outdated criminal justice system has failed them yet the kids are the ones who carry the all the blame and burden.
its a shameful system that penalises child victims.
I know it does matter, of course but I've definitely read some people's experience is that even with proof the image wasn't asked for, was immediately deleted, sometimes wasn't even viewed etc and they were still charged. Not saying this to scare you, but it just seems like there's reality, and then the police's version which can be different.
I guess you won't know more until the police finish their investigation and even then it might not be entirely clear. Do you have a solicitor who can maybe ask the police for some initial clarification for you? They still might not give it but they could also advise you on likely next steps.
There's obviously always a chance that they don't find anything and you get a NFA - but of course you've all still been through hell in the interim. It's all so horrible, isn't it? I wish I could think of something to say that would ease your mind.
It's so incredibly unfair for young people to be treated like this, because even if they did ask for images or share them or whatever, they simply should not be able to access this stuff so readily. It shouldn't be possible for them to get themselves in such a big mess so easily. They are victims too. Society, the internet providers, the government and absolutely the outdated criminal justice system has failed them yet the kids are the ones who carry the all the blame and burden.
its a shameful system that penalises child victims.
While I'm on my soapbox - I keep wishing I'd been less welcoming of technology and social media in my home but it's almost impossible to live/work/study without it, isn't it?
I resisted it for so long, restricted it, limited it but it still wasn't enough.
I'm so fearful of it all now. It feels like a ticking time bomb. And not just in relation to IIOC - I remember reading about a police officer being suspended - possibly even losing her job because of an awful, very offensive 'joke' sent to a WhatsApp group she was in - an innocuous group. She hadn't even opened it.
I'm not sure what the answer is but it all feels so messy and risky especially given we give kids access to it. What were we thinking?! (I mean collectively, as a society, not individually)
I resisted it for so long, restricted it, limited it but it still wasn't enough.
I'm so fearful of it all now. It feels like a ticking time bomb. And not just in relation to IIOC - I remember reading about a police officer being suspended - possibly even losing her job because of an awful, very offensive 'joke' sent to a WhatsApp group she was in - an innocuous group. She hadn't even opened it.
I'm not sure what the answer is but it all feels so messy and risky especially given we give kids access to it. What were we thinking?! (I mean collectively, as a society, not individually)
Thank you Starr
I keep saying where is the protection and safeguarding for kids caught up in this. They should be dealt with differently. I get it needs investigation but I do think something needs to change for kids. I'm starting to think my son is suffering PTSD since the knock. He admitted on day he looked terrified but still put him in a cell.
They wouldn't tell solicitor anything. All we picked up on day they were looking for 'an image'.
Being off with stress myself just finding it hard. Sorry if I've gone on.
I keep saying where is the protection and safeguarding for kids caught up in this. They should be dealt with differently. I get it needs investigation but I do think something needs to change for kids. I'm starting to think my son is suffering PTSD since the knock. He admitted on day he looked terrified but still put him in a cell.
They wouldn't tell solicitor anything. All we picked up on day they were looking for 'an image'.
Being off with stress myself just finding it hard. Sorry if I've gone on.
I think it might have been one of my posts you were thinking about, I vaguely remember discussing it with you a few months back.
Currently all I am aware of is that intelligence has flagged our IP address and his email as having received IIOC. It’s got to be either his email provider or one of his social media accounts that have flagged it, I've ruled out it being the internet provider who have flagged it to police as the sky account is in my name, if sky had reported it I would have been the one arrested.
So the police have actionable intelligence but no evidence, that’s what they are hoping to find on the seized devices.
Currently all I am aware of is that intelligence has flagged our IP address and his email as having received IIOC. It’s got to be either his email provider or one of his social media accounts that have flagged it, I've ruled out it being the internet provider who have flagged it to police as the sky account is in my name, if sky had reported it I would have been the one arrested.
So the police have actionable intelligence but no evidence, that’s what they are hoping to find on the seized devices.
my family member was sent a link which contained images and a couple of moving images all were pseudo which I think might be AI? besides the point but it was the email address and IP address that linked them from the person who sent out the link then the phone was plugged in and they looked through and gou d thumbnail images in a deleted file then it was sent to forensics to see if and ehat else was on the phone hope this helps
Hi, before my sons devices were forensically checked we were advised the our IP address had been flagged by the National Crime Agency. We were made aware they use technology that scans the internet for criminal content, such as indecent images. When an IP address identified as accessing or distributing such content this IP will be passed to the relevant police force to manage.
The NCA do not scan the internet for images. That is done by the Internet Watch Foundation in this country, although they only report webpages, not ip addresses.
The vast majority of ip addresses come via NCMEC, an organisation in the USA, which receives tip offs from the tech companies. Since most tech firms are based in the USA, it makes sense that they would report it there first.
If NCMEC realises that the ip address is from another country, then they pass it on to law enforcement in that country. This is where the NCA get most of their ip addresses.
Not all apps scan the images that are uploaded to them, but Kik and Snapchat are two of those that do.
The vast majority of ip addresses come via NCMEC, an organisation in the USA, which receives tip offs from the tech companies. Since most tech firms are based in the USA, it makes sense that they would report it there first.
If NCMEC realises that the ip address is from another country, then they pass it on to law enforcement in that country. This is where the NCA get most of their ip addresses.
Not all apps scan the images that are uploaded to them, but Kik and Snapchat are two of those that do.
Hi Edel2020
With what you say makes sense in us thinking this relates to snapchat. Snapchat is where my sons reported items and one violated. I've said in previous posts my snapchat knowledge is limited. We are presuming what he's reported is stuff someone's sent him.
With what you say makes sense in us thinking this relates to snapchat. Snapchat is where my sons reported items and one violated. I've said in previous posts my snapchat knowledge is limited. We are presuming what he's reported is stuff someone's sent him.
Hi, the information was given to us almost three years ago. Possibly my misunderstanding. However for my own curiosity I did just check online and it states the following "the NCA collects and uses IP addresses, along with other personal data, for various purposes. One is law enforcement. They with social media companies and other agencies may use these to track individuals.