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Has anyone had the SS discuss changing your child onto a CPP from a CIN plan? And what were their reasons.
My SW today talked about changing us to a CPP because theyre concerned for her safety despite us following the bail, despite her showing no signs of being harmed. It's about potential harm down the line when CPS have made their decision. This is based on a conversation my husband had on the day of his arrest online with other adults (it's not nice to put it midly). So I do get their concerns but I'm not sure how a CPP would change anything for the future that the CIN plan doesn't already do.
Current plan-
Supervised visits with friends and family who have been informed of what he is accused of. No unsupervised contact
He has therapy. I have therapy (which is not going so great as I have a child attached 24/7 who has a melt down if I leave).
Future plan is to live together. This may require a pych evaluation of both us us (mine because I have depression and anxiety).
SS are happy with what we are doing currently and have no advise on what we can do as extra as we are already doing everything.
My SW today talked about changing us to a CPP because theyre concerned for her safety despite us following the bail, despite her showing no signs of being harmed. It's about potential harm down the line when CPS have made their decision. This is based on a conversation my husband had on the day of his arrest online with other adults (it's not nice to put it midly). So I do get their concerns but I'm not sure how a CPP would change anything for the future that the CIN plan doesn't already do.
Current plan-
Supervised visits with friends and family who have been informed of what he is accused of. No unsupervised contact
He has therapy. I have therapy (which is not going so great as I have a child attached 24/7 who has a melt down if I leave).
Future plan is to live together. This may require a pych evaluation of both us us (mine because I have depression and anxiety).
SS are happy with what we are doing currently and have no advise on what we can do as extra as we are already doing everything.
Yes - I have been through this and still am. They did this to us when my OH was charged and bail conditions were dropped. They escalated us to CPP because there was nothing legally to stop him having unsupervised acccess with our daughter. He wasn't given a SHPO or asked to sign the SOR. In our case the CPP was put in place to stop him living at the house. Apart from that it was basically pointless and the safety plan they put in place- you might as well have just thrown it in the bin!
CPP is more formal- you have to attend an intial conference that the professionals involved attend. In my case, it was me and OH, the SW, probation officer, school nurse, DSL from the school and somebody from the police. I'll admit its not a nice thing to go through and they give their views on whether your child should be put on a CPP.
Then you have to attend monthly meetings with the same professionals (apart from the police) to discuss things and how the safety plan is progressing etc..
It was absolutely pointless in my case- because its an online offence, its all subjective and opinion based. It was very much a grey area on what to do.
When my daughter was a CIN- we were given no safety plan and they accused us of breaching a safety plan that didn't exist formally. I could spend all day talking and writing about their incompetence!
Before they escalate to CPP- they will hold a S47 strategy meeting which you will not be involved in. This meeting will proably consist of the SW, police and a DSL from your childs school/nursery depending on how old they are. They will discuss whether the threshold of significant harm has been met.
Ask the SW to be transparent with you - when and what meetings are being held etc
I'm going through hell with SS- feel free to ask me anything xx
CPP is more formal- you have to attend an intial conference that the professionals involved attend. In my case, it was me and OH, the SW, probation officer, school nurse, DSL from the school and somebody from the police. I'll admit its not a nice thing to go through and they give their views on whether your child should be put on a CPP.
Then you have to attend monthly meetings with the same professionals (apart from the police) to discuss things and how the safety plan is progressing etc..
It was absolutely pointless in my case- because its an online offence, its all subjective and opinion based. It was very much a grey area on what to do.
When my daughter was a CIN- we were given no safety plan and they accused us of breaching a safety plan that didn't exist formally. I could spend all day talking and writing about their incompetence!
Before they escalate to CPP- they will hold a S47 strategy meeting which you will not be involved in. This meeting will proably consist of the SW, police and a DSL from your childs school/nursery depending on how old they are. They will discuss whether the threshold of significant harm has been met.
Ask the SW to be transparent with you - when and what meetings are being held etc
I'm going through hell with SS- feel free to ask me anything xx
From what you've posted previously about the content of the conversation I can understand why they are concerned and how you would meet the criteria for CPP in light of that. CPP may open up more support and funding for the psychological assessments that need to be done.
You may be able to find information about CPP thresholds and routes of action on your local authorities children's services website. There is a course called breaking the cycle run by Circles that you can ask your sw about being referred to. It's about going into your situation with eyes wide open and learning how to protect your daughter from someone you never would have thought was a danger to her.
Do you have much in the way of a support network? It may be worth looking at organising some childcare for a few hours a week so you can access your therapy xxx
You may be able to find information about CPP thresholds and routes of action on your local authorities children's services website. There is a course called breaking the cycle run by Circles that you can ask your sw about being referred to. It's about going into your situation with eyes wide open and learning how to protect your daughter from someone you never would have thought was a danger to her.
Do you have much in the way of a support network? It may be worth looking at organising some childcare for a few hours a week so you can access your therapy xxx
Hi depression and pregnant. I do get thanks to the stupid idiot dumb, dumb that he is that they have concerns. And they are valid concerns. But I'm still just not sure how going to a CPP would change anything. He will still have access supervised and the plan ultimately will be to move back to living together. I don't care if it takes 5 years that's the plan.
I know I can never say never because of what's been found. But those that know him like I do know he could never hurt our daughter. But just because I know this doesn't mean I'm not vigilant, I have trust issues due to my past so i rarely ever let my guard down with anyone, you have to be pretty special to be in my trust circle.
I know I can never say never because of what's been found. But those that know him like I do know he could never hurt our daughter. But just because I know this doesn't mean I'm not vigilant, I have trust issues due to my past so i rarely ever let my guard down with anyone, you have to be pretty special to be in my trust circle.
Upset mother Thanks for your reply. What I find odd is they've been giving us both a hard time about possession and distribution of images which is what they want to charge him with. Now that doesn't seem to big issue to them it's what's been said in this chat between adults (i understsnd their concerns trust me, its disgusting whats been said). It feels really odd to have the heat taken off of the images and the focus put on the chat though after 8 months of them proper digging into me and him. I know what was said and I literally gave myself a headache smacking my head going omg you are an absolute idiot just why!SOOO many times. I can only really match it to what trolls do, they feed off each other saying worse and worse things to get some weird hit from it. Doesn't make it right at all. It will mean getting back to living together is ging to be an even harder road. Showing he isn't a high risk of harming our daughter isn't going to be an easy path now.
We have had this plan in place since March. It was the plan since day one but it was made official in March. I really don't like talking to SS. I still now have chest pains, and I do just want to curl up and ignore the world. Which I honestly would do if I didn't have a child. They're 1 so they don't understand what's going on. What makes me sad is we have had a beavement in the family so she has seen her dad daily for two weeks and seeing how happy this has made her really, really hurts because it's only temporary while he is on bereavement leave.
We have had this plan in place since March. It was the plan since day one but it was made official in March. I really don't like talking to SS. I still now have chest pains, and I do just want to curl up and ignore the world. Which I honestly would do if I didn't have a child. They're 1 so they don't understand what's going on. What makes me sad is we have had a beavement in the family so she has seen her dad daily for two weeks and seeing how happy this has made her really, really hurts because it's only temporary while he is on bereavement leave.