Frustrations of a partner who's husband has a porn addiction
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Hi Everyone,
This is basically a rant about the difficulties faced as a partner of a husband with a porn addiction, so please feel free to join in if you wish. Unfortunately I didn’t know about my husbands porn addiction until it was to late and the police were at our door, by this point his addiction had already escalated to far and has brought us to this terrible situation we now find ourselves in.
What this journey has taught me so far however, is that there is a clear lack of understanding/ education/ empathy around porn addiction and the detrimental impact this has not only on the individual with porn addiction, but the partner also. Within days of the police arriving at our door, my husband had gone to see a specialist psychosexual therapist who confirmed his porn addiction and also informed us that unfortunately many people don’t seek help for porn addiction until the behaviours have escalated to far (trouble with police/ breakdown in relationships etc). From the very beginning my husband has been remorseful, expressed disgust of himself but is pleased he can finally get the help he so desperately needed to finally change this unhealthy habit of managing his emotions. How did he get there you may ask? Basically, my husband had a traumatic childhood and this led to him learning unhealthy habits in terms of managing his emotions of depression, anxiety, stress and low self esteem. He started watching porn at a young age, and as research has proven, for those who become addicted his brain started to become desensitised to the stuff he was watching, resulting in searching for more extreme material over the years which is how he ended up crossing the boundary of images involving children and chat sites.
Now I want to make this very clear, indecent images of children and sexual abuse is NOT okay, it is not acceptable, and I can not believe we still have a world with access to this sort of material. That is why I agree that my husband needs to accept his punishment from the justice system (not society), which he is and doing so willingly. He has attended the course suggested by Lucy Faithful, granted not tailored to his needs specifically but he attended and has been in regular counselling since it all began. He is starting to understand how he even walked down this path and what he needs to do to change.
My frustrations lie with societal views around an understandably controversial topic which nobody wants to talk about. People are quick to say indecent images of children is wrong- which it is, but are not willing to look at the entire bigger picture as a whole. The sex industry- this billion pound corrupt industry which will do what ever it takes to make sure sex continues to sell. The porn industry, a sub section, which is constantly seeking ways to develop new ideas to ensure they continue the shock factor to make sure they continue enticing people in.
Now I understand why people who don’t know me or my husband may judge and question my sanity and decision making process. After all it is a crazy and difficult situation to navigate and get your head around, especially when you don’t know all the facts so I can appreciate that and deal with it in a way. What I find hurtful are the responses from people who do know me and my husband, especially the ones who know us well. They may argue they don’t know us well, as never in their wildest dreams would they expect my husband to be guilty of viewing indecent images, well guess what…either did I. Now I totally respect their state of shock, their difficulties processing this information, the unwillingness to see my husband at the start, possibly forever. What I cant accept is the way me, as the innocent partner who has done nothing wrong has been treated.
Here are a few examples of things said to me which has really hurt or being exhaustive in trying to address…
1) 1) Porn addiction, I don’t believe it.
Yes porn addiction is a real thing, there is rapid growing evidence/research documenting the detrimental impact this has on an individual who becomes addicted, along with the impact on the family. Paula Hall to name a few in the UK discusses this, and fight the new drug is another website dedicated to porn addiction who have created a 3 part series Brain, Heart World.
2) 2) I can accept him having a porn addiction watching adults, but he has crossed the boundary with children and I can not accept that. He must of known it was morally wrong but still chose to watch/ look at it.
He started of with normal legal adult porn, but over the years Yes he did know it was morally wrong when he came across child related stuff, which is why he felt disgusted with himself and ashamed which is why he never asked for help, this resulted in going back to look at it (all porn) and the vicious cycle continued and continued to drag him down dark holes. His behaviour escalated, crossing the boundaries of his own morals and having detrimental negative impacts on his life… hence why its called ADDICTION. Now it interests me that people are acceptant of adult porn, when that is just another form of adult abuse as a lot of women involved are either on drugs to numb the pain or being black mailed to participate as they have bills to pay. At the end of the day there are both adult and children being sex trafficked to be used in the porn industry and this is NOT okay. Also why are we as a society not challenging porn hub who feel it is okay to push the boundaries of promoting teen porn when it isn’t even legal. They get around it stating their workers are 18, but still actively seek for those who look younger? And again why are porn hub encouraging search terms such as ‘jailbait’, ‘teen porn’, ‘step mum’ and all the rest of the weird and wrong search terms available. Why as a society are we trying to sexualise our children? We are all culprits of being desensitised to images, our use of social media platforms being a prime example and the need for magazines, TV to airbrush all their images to encourage us to look a certain way and think that this is the ‘norm’. Instagram and the ‘perfect life’. Fashion designers and the clothes being designed for young girls… do we really need to see so much skin… and what is the purpose of those half tops where the bottom of your boob hangs out…
3) 3) Your husband is sick
Yes, yes he is sick, a combination of mental health issues ranging from depression, anxiety, low self esteem and insomnia. Creating a toxic mix which led to developing a porn addiction. Lots of research around various mental health problems and how this negatively impacts wellbeing. Lots of research on sleep deprivation and how it impacts our ability to think and behave logically.
4) 4) If I was to do a survey with 1000 people they would all say what your husband has done is unacceptable.
I should bloody think so to, as it isn’t acceptable. And anyone who says it is acceptable really needs to be questioned. Indecent images and sex abuse is NOT okay.
5) 5)You obviously condone what your husband has done as your supporting him.
Err no, I am absolutely not condoning what he’s done, the fact you think that shows you don’t know me at all. Instead I am supporting him to get the help he desperately needed and to not let his mistake define him. I definitely wouldn’t be standing by him if he didn’t feel his behaviour was wrong, or working hard to address his wrong doing and change. In fact partners who stand by their husbands/wives are contributing to the protection of children by offering the support to the loved one who has offended to try and ensure they don’t reoffend again and continue being a consumer of this disgusting industry which causes a demand. Losing your job, family, friends, access to your kids, home, reputation, prospect of time in prison, being put on the sex offenders register… gosh if you weren’t depressed before hand then you certainly would be now. Do society not think if anyone was in that situation, they wouldn’t go back to committing a crime or worse suicide. Obviously not. It appears the view is if you’ve done this, your life should now be over and punished forever. You don’t deserve the opportunity to correct your mistake. As for those partners… gosh they must be insane and society should bully them to make them come to the same decisions and conclusions as them.
6) 6) Im sorry but if you continue to support your husband, I can no longer be your friend as it will impact my job with the risk of losing it.
Right this one really grinds on me, and shows me how narrowed minded people can be. Just please show me some respect and don’t feed me crap. This is basically your ‘easy get out card’, with basically you justifying it in your mind as a rationale excuse to use rather than just admitting the fact your not comfortable. Knowing a sex offender only impacts your job if you live with the sex offender and work with children. Even then a risk assessment is completed to assess the risk you (the non offender) pose to children, and then a waiver is completed (this can take some time I believe). You can not discriminate somebody in their job for an action they haven’t committed. But yes I will accept those who work with children may not feel comfortable socialising with a sex offender, its do able, but I understand. What I will not accept is the excuse used on the partner. There is no reason why you can not continue a relationship with the non offending partner what so ever. Places of work are not interested in you disclosing information about the behaviours of your friends partners actions/convictions. It is a very poor excuse and just disrespectful to your friendship. Alternatively this could be an antic to try and bully you to change your mind. Either way not acceptable and a very disappointing excuse. I am open to other views/ experiences on this point. Has anyone had friends who are teachers, social workers who work with children ect who have still remained in your life?
As a partner it is hard enough finding out your loved one has committed this crime, along with the fact that your also dealing with their mental health, let alone your own. Do people not think your hurting enough, with out throwing into the mix more emotions from people you care about. Partners are not only victims of their husbands/wives behaviours, but then also victimised by societal views, friends and family views. In fact there are lots of victims in this entire process. The children/adult in images/videos are victims, the vulnerable offender is a victim (think why did they do It in the first place) and then the partners/families of both child/adult/offender.
Lucy Faithful if your reading this, listen to the partners/families when we say we are struggling. Help us get society talking as things need to change. There are to many people in this situation. To many people being prosecuted for this offence (usually their first, and people who have been good citizens, good education, good job). Not all of these people can be the bad people society believe them to be. Help partners to keep their support network by educating society that it is okay to support partners like us… it is not an offense. By not doing this then more innocent people are being impacted. The mental health of partners and the mental health of the children of the offender… how far does it have to go before people are willing to talk and start trying to make a change. If we don’t start talking, then I really fear for future generations of our children, friends and family. The Porn industry is currently here to stay unless we try and make a positive change.
Why are we not working together with the child protection services, justice system, mental health services, offenders, families of offenders to stop all this for everyone involved.
We need to educate people to stop innocent people being targeted and victimised!
Sorry for this essay everyone, feel free to contribute. Its just such a frustrating situation which I know you all understand.
This is basically a rant about the difficulties faced as a partner of a husband with a porn addiction, so please feel free to join in if you wish. Unfortunately I didn’t know about my husbands porn addiction until it was to late and the police were at our door, by this point his addiction had already escalated to far and has brought us to this terrible situation we now find ourselves in.
What this journey has taught me so far however, is that there is a clear lack of understanding/ education/ empathy around porn addiction and the detrimental impact this has not only on the individual with porn addiction, but the partner also. Within days of the police arriving at our door, my husband had gone to see a specialist psychosexual therapist who confirmed his porn addiction and also informed us that unfortunately many people don’t seek help for porn addiction until the behaviours have escalated to far (trouble with police/ breakdown in relationships etc). From the very beginning my husband has been remorseful, expressed disgust of himself but is pleased he can finally get the help he so desperately needed to finally change this unhealthy habit of managing his emotions. How did he get there you may ask? Basically, my husband had a traumatic childhood and this led to him learning unhealthy habits in terms of managing his emotions of depression, anxiety, stress and low self esteem. He started watching porn at a young age, and as research has proven, for those who become addicted his brain started to become desensitised to the stuff he was watching, resulting in searching for more extreme material over the years which is how he ended up crossing the boundary of images involving children and chat sites.
Now I want to make this very clear, indecent images of children and sexual abuse is NOT okay, it is not acceptable, and I can not believe we still have a world with access to this sort of material. That is why I agree that my husband needs to accept his punishment from the justice system (not society), which he is and doing so willingly. He has attended the course suggested by Lucy Faithful, granted not tailored to his needs specifically but he attended and has been in regular counselling since it all began. He is starting to understand how he even walked down this path and what he needs to do to change.
My frustrations lie with societal views around an understandably controversial topic which nobody wants to talk about. People are quick to say indecent images of children is wrong- which it is, but are not willing to look at the entire bigger picture as a whole. The sex industry- this billion pound corrupt industry which will do what ever it takes to make sure sex continues to sell. The porn industry, a sub section, which is constantly seeking ways to develop new ideas to ensure they continue the shock factor to make sure they continue enticing people in.
Now I understand why people who don’t know me or my husband may judge and question my sanity and decision making process. After all it is a crazy and difficult situation to navigate and get your head around, especially when you don’t know all the facts so I can appreciate that and deal with it in a way. What I find hurtful are the responses from people who do know me and my husband, especially the ones who know us well. They may argue they don’t know us well, as never in their wildest dreams would they expect my husband to be guilty of viewing indecent images, well guess what…either did I. Now I totally respect their state of shock, their difficulties processing this information, the unwillingness to see my husband at the start, possibly forever. What I cant accept is the way me, as the innocent partner who has done nothing wrong has been treated.
Here are a few examples of things said to me which has really hurt or being exhaustive in trying to address…
1) 1) Porn addiction, I don’t believe it.
Yes porn addiction is a real thing, there is rapid growing evidence/research documenting the detrimental impact this has on an individual who becomes addicted, along with the impact on the family. Paula Hall to name a few in the UK discusses this, and fight the new drug is another website dedicated to porn addiction who have created a 3 part series Brain, Heart World.
2) 2) I can accept him having a porn addiction watching adults, but he has crossed the boundary with children and I can not accept that. He must of known it was morally wrong but still chose to watch/ look at it.
He started of with normal legal adult porn, but over the years Yes he did know it was morally wrong when he came across child related stuff, which is why he felt disgusted with himself and ashamed which is why he never asked for help, this resulted in going back to look at it (all porn) and the vicious cycle continued and continued to drag him down dark holes. His behaviour escalated, crossing the boundaries of his own morals and having detrimental negative impacts on his life… hence why its called ADDICTION. Now it interests me that people are acceptant of adult porn, when that is just another form of adult abuse as a lot of women involved are either on drugs to numb the pain or being black mailed to participate as they have bills to pay. At the end of the day there are both adult and children being sex trafficked to be used in the porn industry and this is NOT okay. Also why are we as a society not challenging porn hub who feel it is okay to push the boundaries of promoting teen porn when it isn’t even legal. They get around it stating their workers are 18, but still actively seek for those who look younger? And again why are porn hub encouraging search terms such as ‘jailbait’, ‘teen porn’, ‘step mum’ and all the rest of the weird and wrong search terms available. Why as a society are we trying to sexualise our children? We are all culprits of being desensitised to images, our use of social media platforms being a prime example and the need for magazines, TV to airbrush all their images to encourage us to look a certain way and think that this is the ‘norm’. Instagram and the ‘perfect life’. Fashion designers and the clothes being designed for young girls… do we really need to see so much skin… and what is the purpose of those half tops where the bottom of your boob hangs out…
3) 3) Your husband is sick
Yes, yes he is sick, a combination of mental health issues ranging from depression, anxiety, low self esteem and insomnia. Creating a toxic mix which led to developing a porn addiction. Lots of research around various mental health problems and how this negatively impacts wellbeing. Lots of research on sleep deprivation and how it impacts our ability to think and behave logically.
4) 4) If I was to do a survey with 1000 people they would all say what your husband has done is unacceptable.
I should bloody think so to, as it isn’t acceptable. And anyone who says it is acceptable really needs to be questioned. Indecent images and sex abuse is NOT okay.
5) 5)You obviously condone what your husband has done as your supporting him.
Err no, I am absolutely not condoning what he’s done, the fact you think that shows you don’t know me at all. Instead I am supporting him to get the help he desperately needed and to not let his mistake define him. I definitely wouldn’t be standing by him if he didn’t feel his behaviour was wrong, or working hard to address his wrong doing and change. In fact partners who stand by their husbands/wives are contributing to the protection of children by offering the support to the loved one who has offended to try and ensure they don’t reoffend again and continue being a consumer of this disgusting industry which causes a demand. Losing your job, family, friends, access to your kids, home, reputation, prospect of time in prison, being put on the sex offenders register… gosh if you weren’t depressed before hand then you certainly would be now. Do society not think if anyone was in that situation, they wouldn’t go back to committing a crime or worse suicide. Obviously not. It appears the view is if you’ve done this, your life should now be over and punished forever. You don’t deserve the opportunity to correct your mistake. As for those partners… gosh they must be insane and society should bully them to make them come to the same decisions and conclusions as them.
6) 6) Im sorry but if you continue to support your husband, I can no longer be your friend as it will impact my job with the risk of losing it.
Right this one really grinds on me, and shows me how narrowed minded people can be. Just please show me some respect and don’t feed me crap. This is basically your ‘easy get out card’, with basically you justifying it in your mind as a rationale excuse to use rather than just admitting the fact your not comfortable. Knowing a sex offender only impacts your job if you live with the sex offender and work with children. Even then a risk assessment is completed to assess the risk you (the non offender) pose to children, and then a waiver is completed (this can take some time I believe). You can not discriminate somebody in their job for an action they haven’t committed. But yes I will accept those who work with children may not feel comfortable socialising with a sex offender, its do able, but I understand. What I will not accept is the excuse used on the partner. There is no reason why you can not continue a relationship with the non offending partner what so ever. Places of work are not interested in you disclosing information about the behaviours of your friends partners actions/convictions. It is a very poor excuse and just disrespectful to your friendship. Alternatively this could be an antic to try and bully you to change your mind. Either way not acceptable and a very disappointing excuse. I am open to other views/ experiences on this point. Has anyone had friends who are teachers, social workers who work with children ect who have still remained in your life?
As a partner it is hard enough finding out your loved one has committed this crime, along with the fact that your also dealing with their mental health, let alone your own. Do people not think your hurting enough, with out throwing into the mix more emotions from people you care about. Partners are not only victims of their husbands/wives behaviours, but then also victimised by societal views, friends and family views. In fact there are lots of victims in this entire process. The children/adult in images/videos are victims, the vulnerable offender is a victim (think why did they do It in the first place) and then the partners/families of both child/adult/offender.
Lucy Faithful if your reading this, listen to the partners/families when we say we are struggling. Help us get society talking as things need to change. There are to many people in this situation. To many people being prosecuted for this offence (usually their first, and people who have been good citizens, good education, good job). Not all of these people can be the bad people society believe them to be. Help partners to keep their support network by educating society that it is okay to support partners like us… it is not an offense. By not doing this then more innocent people are being impacted. The mental health of partners and the mental health of the children of the offender… how far does it have to go before people are willing to talk and start trying to make a change. If we don’t start talking, then I really fear for future generations of our children, friends and family. The Porn industry is currently here to stay unless we try and make a positive change.
Why are we not working together with the child protection services, justice system, mental health services, offenders, families of offenders to stop all this for everyone involved.
We need to educate people to stop innocent people being targeted and victimised!
Sorry for this essay everyone, feel free to contribute. Its just such a frustrating situation which I know you all understand.
Confused.... I can't add anything accept to say what a superb post.
Can I suggest you send it direct to the foundation, your local mp and hub.unlock.org.uk.... They can possibly influence those in power.
Also send it to Chief Constable BAILEY he's the lead officer in porn crimes and has suggested the legal process be changed where by first offenders are given Cautions instead of prison or community sentences...
Thank you for writing it....
Can I suggest you send it direct to the foundation, your local mp and hub.unlock.org.uk.... They can possibly influence those in power.
Also send it to Chief Constable BAILEY he's the lead officer in porn crimes and has suggested the legal process be changed where by first offenders are given Cautions instead of prison or community sentences...
Thank you for writing it....
Confused. Com,
Here bloody here, fab post, couldn't add anything more, it's all the stuff that whirls around in my head. We need to make a difference. 400 arrests a week. This is an epidemic and will only get worse.
May I also congratulate you on managing such a long post without half of it either disappearing or having typos because half the text goes off page so you can't see it.
Well done. Sending a big hug your way. Xx
Here bloody here, fab post, couldn't add anything more, it's all the stuff that whirls around in my head. We need to make a difference. 400 arrests a week. This is an epidemic and will only get worse.
May I also congratulate you on managing such a long post without half of it either disappearing or having typos because half the text goes off page so you can't see it.
Well done. Sending a big hug your way. Xx
Dearest Confused.com - We HEAR you! Wow - you have articulated everything that's been swirling around in my head since the 'knock' 6 weeks ago. My partner is also addicted to porn - and is a first offender who has, at most, got a parking ticket before he got hooked on internet porn three years ago. He is remorseful, ashamed and terrified to meet anybody - and wants not to be here. He feels like a monster and society will see him that way too. He needs compassion and help to stop his addiction and not exile and revulsion.
The internet is unregulatable, (if that's a word) and has been for the past 20years - and something needs to be done about it! The porn industry is unstoppable and dangerous.
Well - I can't really add anything to what you've already said.
(And I'm also impressed that you managed to type such a long article without losing it)
The internet is unregulatable, (if that's a word) and has been for the past 20years - and something needs to be done about it! The porn industry is unstoppable and dangerous.
Well - I can't really add anything to what you've already said.
(And I'm also impressed that you managed to type such a long article without losing it)
What a brilliant well articulated post. You have pretty much captured everything in this. There needs to be more education and certainly more regulation on the internet.
It is clear from newspaper report comment sections that the viewing of iioc is seen as a crime which should be punishable by death or castration. That this crime is automatically viewed as so heinous that the perpetrator can't possibly be part of society again. This needs to change it does need to be recognised like any other addiction and treated appropriately. However let's face it though mainstream addiction such as drugs and alcohol don't receive enough funding and resourcing so I don't anticipate porn addiction would.
There is little support for partners going through this process and it is hard for us to seek support from friends due to the reasons you have outlined.
An excellent post and one I hope is noticed by LFF and taken on board.
Cornish Tea x
It is clear from newspaper report comment sections that the viewing of iioc is seen as a crime which should be punishable by death or castration. That this crime is automatically viewed as so heinous that the perpetrator can't possibly be part of society again. This needs to change it does need to be recognised like any other addiction and treated appropriately. However let's face it though mainstream addiction such as drugs and alcohol don't receive enough funding and resourcing so I don't anticipate porn addiction would.
There is little support for partners going through this process and it is hard for us to seek support from friends due to the reasons you have outlined.
An excellent post and one I hope is noticed by LFF and taken on board.
Cornish Tea x
WOW! confused.com! Brilliantly written post. This should be put into a statement and delivered to as many influencers as possible. MPs, all the professionals that we dea with during this ordeal: GPs, AKAS, Social Services, Schools etc. Education is required on this URGENTLY, we know that this is an escalating crime. I, like the rest of you had no idea, if I has I might have at least spotted some signs, but most importantly he would have known there was help for him to stop it escalating to the point of arrest.
LFF, you need to listen to us.
Like the rest of you, MY life has been destroyed, by something I was innococently unaware of. I've had to learn a lot to help myself understand. It is so important to understand ITS NOT OUR FAULT!!! But some of society seem to think that it is!!!
LFF, you need to listen to us.
Like the rest of you, MY life has been destroyed, by something I was innococently unaware of. I've had to learn a lot to help myself understand. It is so important to understand ITS NOT OUR FAULT!!! But some of society seem to think that it is!!!
Thank you everyone. I'm not going to lie I spent a lot of time yesterday trying to post that message. In the end I ended up typing it onto word and copied and pasted it hehe.
Im hoping this post will generate enough comments so that Lucy faithful do view it, and hopefully it gets them thinking more. Even simple things such as organising a conference once a year for partners and families, Atleast it would offer people that much needed face to face support to really know your not alone. I would love to see the statistics of how many people like us are actually out there!
Does anyone still have friends who are teachers or work with children? Did you get similar responses to me? Again lucy faithful if your reading this can you confirm if people who work with children are still maintain a relationship with the partner of the offender. Infact can they themselves still be friends with someone if they end up committing this crime?
I just want to know why society thinks it acceptable to lose our entire support network all because we are supporting someone we love to get the much needed help they require.
Don't even get me started on the media, who really don't care about people's mental health else they would be more sensitive and factual in their reporting.
like I said hopefully this post can spark something with Lucy faithful!
Im hoping this post will generate enough comments so that Lucy faithful do view it, and hopefully it gets them thinking more. Even simple things such as organising a conference once a year for partners and families, Atleast it would offer people that much needed face to face support to really know your not alone. I would love to see the statistics of how many people like us are actually out there!
Does anyone still have friends who are teachers or work with children? Did you get similar responses to me? Again lucy faithful if your reading this can you confirm if people who work with children are still maintain a relationship with the partner of the offender. Infact can they themselves still be friends with someone if they end up committing this crime?
I just want to know why society thinks it acceptable to lose our entire support network all because we are supporting someone we love to get the much needed help they require.
Don't even get me started on the media, who really don't care about people's mental health else they would be more sensitive and factual in their reporting.
like I said hopefully this post can spark something with Lucy faithful!
These type of crimes, in fact any type of sexual crimes are really hard to process. It's took a long time and a lot of research/taking to professionals for me to understand more about these types of offence and the communication offence my partner committed. I think one of my earliest posted was asking did people believe porn addiction/chat addiction was a real thing. It is and it a very hidden addiction, it's a lot more common then people realise. So many friends said to me 'well my husband doesn't even look at porn' and in most cases that wasnt true, they just didnt know about it. It's a difficult subject to stand up and talk about, even when talking to individuals people are embarrassed and shy away from these difficult topics. I agree the media look for shock headlines and often are not bothered if what they write is true but at the same time theres a difficult balence between highlighting the subject and appearing to condone it. No one condones child abuse, downloading images, grooming or chatting sexually with minors, these crimes do require punishment but they also require better understanding and for people who fall down the rabbit hole of porn addiction etc to be able to seek help and it be more widely known where to go for help. Unfortunately with friends I think you just have to respect their decision however difficult that may be. Some professions you need to declare a friendship with a sex offender. We have friends who had to do that, luckily they did it and we are all still friends but it was very difficult for them and we understood if they needed to distance themselves. People say hurtful things, they dont always mean it but it takes time to deal with these things and some people just can't. There will be hundreds of people going through situations like this, many without support, at first I thought social services would offer support but in the end I think I support them and helped them. I think was was thrown into supporting friends and family, my partner, it was a difficult task holding everything together. I think porn addiction is being highlighted at lot more now, theres been more informative articles in the media.
Hi Lee,
that's really positive that people are meeting up, but I feel organisations can help with this to make sure it's safe for everyone involved. Don't get me wrong I'm sure those who meet up are trust worthy people but it still comes which a risk which could be avoided if specialist organisations got involved. But it really is great that people are taking action.
for me I want facts, I understand why society react the way they do cause let's face it there is not enough education so how can we expect people to respond differently if they don't have all the information. I can't help but feel some people's responses are based on opinion and not fact, I would love to sit down with the people who say these things to me and say right here's all the facts, if you still feel the way you do then fine.
As I said I do understand the reaction to the offender, and I appreciate people may never change their views even with the facts but the opportunity should Atleast be given. I just really don't understand how the partner gets treated the same way when they have literally done nothing. That's what I'm trying to highlight there is not enough information to support partners to use to help them try and keep their support network .
its lovely to see how supportive this group is.
that's really positive that people are meeting up, but I feel organisations can help with this to make sure it's safe for everyone involved. Don't get me wrong I'm sure those who meet up are trust worthy people but it still comes which a risk which could be avoided if specialist organisations got involved. But it really is great that people are taking action.
for me I want facts, I understand why society react the way they do cause let's face it there is not enough education so how can we expect people to respond differently if they don't have all the information. I can't help but feel some people's responses are based on opinion and not fact, I would love to sit down with the people who say these things to me and say right here's all the facts, if you still feel the way you do then fine.
As I said I do understand the reaction to the offender, and I appreciate people may never change their views even with the facts but the opportunity should Atleast be given. I just really don't understand how the partner gets treated the same way when they have literally done nothing. That's what I'm trying to highlight there is not enough information to support partners to use to help them try and keep their support network .
its lovely to see how supportive this group is.
I totally agree and would like to be part of any movement aimed at the goals you've all so articulately expressed. I am however afraid, like many others. The idea of mumsnet alone is frightening.
What a fantastic post confused, this echos what u think on a daily basis, we have only told our parents and I have shared with a friend who has been excellent fortunitley she doesn't really make comment about him more around me keeping me strong and just listening. She is perplexed at the long timescales.
Some men will be guilty some not of an offence but regardless all of us are treated as guilty whether they are or not. My children's and my record tarnished for their childhood. It feel like it will never be over even if it is. Thank you for typing such an elocant post.
with relation to your question to friends working with children, my mum works with children and hasn't said anything. I work with children and have been referred to local authority officer but nil has been said. The dismissal by association has now been scrapped. It makes me feel sick with anger people may think I would harm a child in anyway because someone I know has. There are others who will be able to share their stories. However the long and short of it is I doubt they need to tell their employer what if you didn't tell your friend no one would be any the wiser.
I know some of the ladies here have met up an have groups they can talk more freely but I'm so scared to give over other details and may end up identified. Hearing about the parcel trick the vigilantes use has reinforced my weary ness. Always feel someone is trying to trip us up - yes it sounds paranoid
Some men will be guilty some not of an offence but regardless all of us are treated as guilty whether they are or not. My children's and my record tarnished for their childhood. It feel like it will never be over even if it is. Thank you for typing such an elocant post.
with relation to your question to friends working with children, my mum works with children and hasn't said anything. I work with children and have been referred to local authority officer but nil has been said. The dismissal by association has now been scrapped. It makes me feel sick with anger people may think I would harm a child in anyway because someone I know has. There are others who will be able to share their stories. However the long and short of it is I doubt they need to tell their employer what if you didn't tell your friend no one would be any the wiser.
I know some of the ladies here have met up an have groups they can talk more freely but I'm so scared to give over other details and may end up identified. Hearing about the parcel trick the vigilantes use has reinforced my weary ness. Always feel someone is trying to trip us up - yes it sounds paranoid
Lee you and Tracey have got me thru many a dark day with your messages of support and listening on Mumsnet. I will be forever greatful to you!
Wow Confused.com Your piece is just brilliant!
It completely sums everything up, I think this need to be published!
thank you so much for taking the time to write this
Mabel x x
It completely sums everything up, I think this need to be published!
thank you so much for taking the time to write this
Mabel x x
Thanks Mabel and summer for your responses.
summer I agree, I think its ludicrous you can be deemed as the same risk when you have done nothing wrong. As humans we are just so quick to judge and go into that fight or flight mode. It's much easier for people to wipe their hands of a situation than deal with it face on. As much as I've beaten myself up about trying to please everyone, I'm proud of my personality and values in life, which is to always look at the whole picture. Maybe I need to get a tattoo on my face which states 'I do not condone' lol. It's just crazy the assumptions people make even when you express clearly you are not in agreement with what's happened. Thankyou by the way about telling me you still have people in your life who work with children.
The whole thing is just exhausting and I wish it people would take a step back and think of me for once and how they might be making me feel. Instead it's the other way round and I'm thinking of them. Trying to offer them support, choosing my words wisely and not biting back in retaliation (sometimes I fail at this).
if only they knew what it was like to be in our shoes x
summer I agree, I think its ludicrous you can be deemed as the same risk when you have done nothing wrong. As humans we are just so quick to judge and go into that fight or flight mode. It's much easier for people to wipe their hands of a situation than deal with it face on. As much as I've beaten myself up about trying to please everyone, I'm proud of my personality and values in life, which is to always look at the whole picture. Maybe I need to get a tattoo on my face which states 'I do not condone' lol. It's just crazy the assumptions people make even when you express clearly you are not in agreement with what's happened. Thankyou by the way about telling me you still have people in your life who work with children.
The whole thing is just exhausting and I wish it people would take a step back and think of me for once and how they might be making me feel. Instead it's the other way round and I'm thinking of them. Trying to offer them support, choosing my words wisely and not biting back in retaliation (sometimes I fail at this).
if only they knew what it was like to be in our shoes x
Hi all,
I am so pleased that you are able to continue using the forum and each other as sources of support through this difficult time.
As an organisation, the Lucy Faithfull Foundation is committed to the prevention of child sexual abuse and with that comes supporting those who have been affected by these offences. We understand that this situation can be really difficult for partners and family members, and it can often feel that you are struggling along by yourself. We hope that those who feel this way are able to access this forum, our Stop It Now! helpline and our face to face services that we offer so that we can support you through this.
We appreciate you sharing your views with us and as an organisation we are invested in raising awareness of internet-related sexual offences within society and across government and statutory services. We understand that you need support now, and we can reassure you that we are taking necessary steps to ensure that views such as yours are heard.
Often we are involved in and undertake relevant research in this area, including about the challenges faced by family members and partners. As we learn more, we are committed to improving our services, building upon our knowledge base. If you are interested in helping us with this then please check our Family and Friends homepage: https://get-help.stopitnow.org.uk/family-and-friends/family-and-friends-intro as we detail the information about how to take part here. We do update this page regularly so do check back.
We also work with the media to raise the profile and understanding of this offence, and the help available to people who want to change as well as their family members. If anybody is interested in finding out more about this work or about possibly being an anonymous media case study, then please get in touch with our media manager, Michael Walsh, who can explain more – mwalsh@lucyfaithfull.org.uk. There’s no obligation and he can discuss the process and the help we give along the way.
I hope that this post has gone someway to reassure you that your views are not lost and that as an organisation we are listening.
Best wishes,
Lucy
I am so pleased that you are able to continue using the forum and each other as sources of support through this difficult time.
As an organisation, the Lucy Faithfull Foundation is committed to the prevention of child sexual abuse and with that comes supporting those who have been affected by these offences. We understand that this situation can be really difficult for partners and family members, and it can often feel that you are struggling along by yourself. We hope that those who feel this way are able to access this forum, our Stop It Now! helpline and our face to face services that we offer so that we can support you through this.
We appreciate you sharing your views with us and as an organisation we are invested in raising awareness of internet-related sexual offences within society and across government and statutory services. We understand that you need support now, and we can reassure you that we are taking necessary steps to ensure that views such as yours are heard.
Often we are involved in and undertake relevant research in this area, including about the challenges faced by family members and partners. As we learn more, we are committed to improving our services, building upon our knowledge base. If you are interested in helping us with this then please check our Family and Friends homepage: https://get-help.stopitnow.org.uk/family-and-friends/family-and-friends-intro as we detail the information about how to take part here. We do update this page regularly so do check back.
We also work with the media to raise the profile and understanding of this offence, and the help available to people who want to change as well as their family members. If anybody is interested in finding out more about this work or about possibly being an anonymous media case study, then please get in touch with our media manager, Michael Walsh, who can explain more – mwalsh@lucyfaithfull.org.uk. There’s no obligation and he can discuss the process and the help we give along the way.
I hope that this post has gone someway to reassure you that your views are not lost and that as an organisation we are listening.
Best wishes,
Lucy
Confused.com what a fantastic post. Can you please visit all the professionals especially SS to educate them. X
@snowdrop who is police constable Bailey? What force? How do I contact him? I am at the beginning of this with my husband but the thought of 1st time offenders getting a caution would relietime offenders getting a caution would ease my fear for my husband so much
Hello all,
We have removed a post from this thread as it contained personal information which, as per the forum rules, should not be shared on the forum. It is worth bearing in mind that as this is an open forum we cannot know who is viewing these posts. Subsequently, it is important no personal information is shared via the forum this includes email addresses, regardless of whether that person is a public figure or not. You can find the forum rules here: https://get-help.stopitnow.org.uk/family-and-friends/forum-agreement. We hope that you can continue to find the forum a postive place for support.
Thanks,
Lucy
We have removed a post from this thread as it contained personal information which, as per the forum rules, should not be shared on the forum. It is worth bearing in mind that as this is an open forum we cannot know who is viewing these posts. Subsequently, it is important no personal information is shared via the forum this includes email addresses, regardless of whether that person is a public figure or not. You can find the forum rules here: https://get-help.stopitnow.org.uk/family-and-friends/forum-agreement. We hope that you can continue to find the forum a postive place for support.
Thanks,
Lucy
Oh my days ! You have managed to put everything in one post !
I applaud you!
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I applaud you!
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Sorry not question marks was meant to be clapping hands xx
Can I also say ...... I knew my son used porn when he was stressed BUT I never in a million years thought it could end up like this! Porn addiction is as destructible as drug addiction or booze or gambling !! Society needs to realise this ASAP family's are being destroyed!
Hi Janno and thanks!
Like you, porn addiction has been a steep learning curve for me and a massive eye opener. I totally understand and respect that some people may not want to understand it or learn about it, but I just wish that understanding could be received back. I've had a lot of anger directed at me from people I'm close to and care deeply about, all because I won't come to the same decisions and conclusions as them. Isn't that meant to be the beauty about humans... we are all individual and are meant to bring something unique to the world with our own ability to thought process... would be a bit boring and miserable if we all had the same way of thinking!
Hope your coping in your situation. I'm just trying hard to turn this into a positive as challenging as it is.... however it's do able. On reflection I've already realised I've become aware of an addiction which effects many, the stigma of the sex offenders register (again which has a massive variable scale) and a gap in support for innocent partners and families. Also as awful as this situation is, it finally enabled my husband to get the much needed help he required and address personal issues that go way back to his childhood. Atleast now he can move forward and not have his emotional baggage drag him down as he is learning to manage it in a much healthier way, put his well-being first and the best of it, is actually learning to communicate and talk about his feelings which I know is so hard for many men. So yeh, always look for the positive even if it is hidden!
Like you, porn addiction has been a steep learning curve for me and a massive eye opener. I totally understand and respect that some people may not want to understand it or learn about it, but I just wish that understanding could be received back. I've had a lot of anger directed at me from people I'm close to and care deeply about, all because I won't come to the same decisions and conclusions as them. Isn't that meant to be the beauty about humans... we are all individual and are meant to bring something unique to the world with our own ability to thought process... would be a bit boring and miserable if we all had the same way of thinking!
Hope your coping in your situation. I'm just trying hard to turn this into a positive as challenging as it is.... however it's do able. On reflection I've already realised I've become aware of an addiction which effects many, the stigma of the sex offenders register (again which has a massive variable scale) and a gap in support for innocent partners and families. Also as awful as this situation is, it finally enabled my husband to get the much needed help he required and address personal issues that go way back to his childhood. Atleast now he can move forward and not have his emotional baggage drag him down as he is learning to manage it in a much healthier way, put his well-being first and the best of it, is actually learning to communicate and talk about his feelings which I know is so hard for many men. So yeh, always look for the positive even if it is hidden!
Confused. Absolutely amazing. We need to start lobbying for understanding and change. A fantastic post. We are a growing movement whose voices need to be heard.
How has this progressed. The post was amazing I didn't comment at the time but I cried so much. Why oh why are people so cruel.. hugs to everyone xx
Excellent post, true to the point, we all feel and experience. The BBC should check this out, or someone tell Stacey Dooley to do a programme
Well done xxx
Well done xxx
Hi all x
I've Read this again and again. substitute husband for Son. And imagine some of the different responses.
Do I condone it?.. No of course not (same response) but still. Why ask..
Why am I still with him?.. I'm his mum...he lives here he's not an independent individual..he'd just turned into legal adult... (and being honest I want him here so I know he's as safe as possible)
Why is it a porn addiction?
Well in my case or his in fairness. it wasnt abuse as a child, It was his learning difficulties, difficulty in social interactions, difficulty communicating emotions verbally, understanding difficulties on the 4th scale of the speech and language therapist normal percentile line. SENCO all through school. becoming more isolated after leaving school, becoming reclusive, computer gaming, teenage pubescent curiosity, stumbling across, and subsiquently being led, prompted and following the dark path that "click her to see" etc sites show.
And this is what society is now, so many are doing this and like you say they are all immediately offenders, published, lives devastated, and us mums, and wives and families are dealing with the aftermath of an illness.
Alcoholics, gamblers, OCD, adhd, all the phobias get help, when they ask or when its recognised,
.iioc get arrested, published. And ....we all are living with the horrific aftermath.
Where is the awareness the education and support. Before the knock???
Love to all x
When they said lifes a bitch, I thought they were joking. X
I've Read this again and again. substitute husband for Son. And imagine some of the different responses.
Do I condone it?.. No of course not (same response) but still. Why ask..
Why am I still with him?.. I'm his mum...he lives here he's not an independent individual..he'd just turned into legal adult... (and being honest I want him here so I know he's as safe as possible)
Why is it a porn addiction?
Well in my case or his in fairness. it wasnt abuse as a child, It was his learning difficulties, difficulty in social interactions, difficulty communicating emotions verbally, understanding difficulties on the 4th scale of the speech and language therapist normal percentile line. SENCO all through school. becoming more isolated after leaving school, becoming reclusive, computer gaming, teenage pubescent curiosity, stumbling across, and subsiquently being led, prompted and following the dark path that "click her to see" etc sites show.
And this is what society is now, so many are doing this and like you say they are all immediately offenders, published, lives devastated, and us mums, and wives and families are dealing with the aftermath of an illness.
Alcoholics, gamblers, OCD, adhd, all the phobias get help, when they ask or when its recognised,
.iioc get arrested, published. And ....we all are living with the horrific aftermath.
Where is the awareness the education and support. Before the knock???
Love to all x
When they said lifes a bitch, I thought they were joking. X
Lizzy 2.0 ,
Well said , I am a mum of son as well , you put that so well, that is my one wish that one day someone will take this subject on and make a programme to show what is really going on for all of us xx
Well said , I am a mum of son as well , you put that so well, that is my one wish that one day someone will take this subject on and make a programme to show what is really going on for all of us xx
I've written to my local police force, Police Commissioner, local MP and I've just written to ITV This Morning. When we are able, and have the energy, we all need to bring this to people's attention! I will continue until someone listens! I cannot allow others to go through the agony of my experience!
I have referred them to this forum and asked them to read our heart breaking stories.
I hope someone really listens and hears us!
xx
I have referred them to this forum and asked them to read our heart breaking stories.
I hope someone really listens and hears us!
xx
Me too tabs,
had I known this life existed I would have certainly been more observant and broached subjects.
All school does educate is about internet bullying. Dont think I've ever heard this kind of stuff mentioned. Mabe because they think if they mention it, it might spike curiosity. Then schools would be accountable I guess.
Who knows. ...
But like we all agree, after the knock it's too late and too exposed and way way too devastating.
X
had I known this life existed I would have certainly been more observant and broached subjects.
All school does educate is about internet bullying. Dont think I've ever heard this kind of stuff mentioned. Mabe because they think if they mention it, it might spike curiosity. Then schools would be accountable I guess.
Who knows. ...
But like we all agree, after the knock it's too late and too exposed and way way too devastating.
X
Hi Lee1969, it's your strength and fight that has helped me to put my head above the parapet. I would not have been emotionally able a few months or even weeks ago. But I think I got to a stage of 'what else can anyone do to damage me?'. Particularly as only the vigilantes video is out there, which as we both know is total manipulation, so the public need to hear the whole truth. X
Can I use this as I am re training to become a councilor for porn addiction and am thinking of going to the hight Court for familys. Its fantastic. Thankyou
What a fantastic post. I myself am an ex teacher and always wanted to go back into teaching but I will not now as I know although guilty by association it still there. We have cut ties from all our teaching friends out of fright I suppose. As for the people we have told they have been very supportive. Thankyou xx
Not been on here in a while....trying to get back into a normal life but what a day to have a catch up and see this wonderful post confused!!! Bloody brilliant it is!!!! Its like you have read my mind. Xxxxxx love to you all lovely ladies xxx